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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    and why do you class warriors talk about percentages when in actual dollars the rich pay most of the fit. and a teacher isn't paying 25% taxes on his 50K salary.


    The Tax Foundation - Summary of Latest Federal Individual Income Tax Data



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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    SAT and ACT Average Scores by States

    Wisconsin: 2nd in the nation in ACT / SAT scores.

    Last: South Carolina; 49th - North Carolina; 48th - Georgia; 47th - Texas; 44th - Virginia.

    These are the only 5 states that disallow collective bargaining for teachers.

    Wisconsin: Aiming for the bottom, thanks to Scott Walker!

    Suggets that better paid teachers create better prepared students.
    Your link is from 1999 not very credibile

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Your link is from 1999 not very credibile
    the cause and effect is not established

    some one might point out that wisconsin does not have near as many minorities who tend to do far worse on standardized tests as those southern states



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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Your link is from 1999 not very credibile
    TYWKIWDBI ("Tai-Wiki-Widbee"): SAT scores. States ranked by average score

    Appears it hadn't changed much by 2007. Point stands.

    Turtle is right, though: it doesn't necessarily prove causality. However, it does merit investigation.

    I don't think it breaks common sense to say that better-paid teachers are happier teachers; and happier teachers are likely to better educate their students than disgruntled teachers are. That's sort of the standard in any workforce. Happier workers are better workers.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    TYWKIWDBI ("Tai-Wiki-Widbee"): SAT scores. States ranked by average score

    Appears it hadn't changed much by 2007. Point stands.

    Turtle is right, though: it doesn't necessarily prove causality. However, it does merit investigation.

    I don't think it breaks common sense to say that better-paid teachers are happier teachers; and happier teachers are likely to better educate their students than disgruntled teachers are. That's sort of the standard in any workforce. Happier workers are better workers.
    so lets give the union a million a person and all our children will be Rhodes Scholars?



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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    TYWKIWDBI ("Tai-Wiki-Widbee"): SAT scores. States ranked by average score

    Appears it hadn't changed much by 2007. Point stands.

    Turtle is right, though: it doesn't necessarily prove causality. However, it does merit investigation.

    I don't think it breaks common sense to say that better-paid teachers are happier teachers; and happier teachers are likely to better educate their students than disgruntled teachers are. That's sort of the standard in any workforce. Happier workers are better workers.
    Yet in 2009 8th graders are behind on reading

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    what that comment says is untruthful

    buffett takes only 100K in the higher taxed salary income (how many executives of his level take onl 100K in salary?) why does he do that?
    It is true, in 2007 Buffett publicly challenged the members of the fortune 500 club to show him they paid a higher tax rate than their receptionist he would give them a million dollars. To this date he has had no takers.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Wisconsin and the GOP's War on the Middle Class



    "It is an act of war. America's class war has arrived on our doorstep with the subtlety of a daisy cutter. Now, the big questions are the outcome, and whether Democrats will show America whose side they are on.

    What Conservatives Really Want

    Conservatives are trying to eliminate the last "good jobs" left in America. They're not just targeting public employees and public employee unions, but the very concepts of a common good and a public interest. George Lakoff explained that "Conservatives really want to change the basis of American life, to make America run according to the conservative moral worldview in all areas of life," in which " ... it would be wrong for the government to provide health care, education, public broadcasting, public parks and so on."

    When abstract budget cuts translate into fewer teachers, police officers, health workers, firefighters, etc. in our communities, we begin to realize that such cuts hurt rather than heal. We provide these things because we believe meeting certain needs, whether or not it's profitable is a common good.

    We are faced with a conservative movement that rejects the common good, and sees it as the problem.

    Ideology vs. Reality: Something Has To Give

    Wisconsin and other states are where the irresistible force of ideology meets the immovable object of reality. Like the Johnny Mercer lyric that says, "something's gotta give." As America looked on at the amazing protests in Egypt, we heard how Egypt's economic inequality catalyzed a movement. We learned that economic inequality is worse here than in Egypt. It's no coincidence protesters in Cairo and Madison have exchanged statements of solidarity.


    What does it mean when Americans in Madison, Wis., see themselves in the same boat at protesters in Egypt? It means that our domestic economic policies have mirrored our economically driven foreign policy, with consequences as devastating to working and middle-class Americans. Mother Jones magazine spelled it out in just eight charts.

    A Lost Middle Class, Unbridled Corporate Power

    This attack on the things government does that support the middle class, comes when the middle class is already weakened by decades of conservative policies. If it succeeds, We're facing a "lost decade" in which middle and working-class Americans suffer the loss of these supports, facing stagnation and downward mobility, and worse. As Kevin Drum notes, destroying unions removes the only remaining counterbalance to corporate power.

    Wisconsin illustrates that conservative economic and fiscal policies create crises that Republicans then exploit to accomplish political ends -- weakening their opponents and increasing power for themselves and their cronies. In a short time, Walker has destroyed (and threatened to destroy more) jobs than his policies are likely to create. The $117 billion in tax breaks that Walker and the Republican legislature pushed through for GOP cronies basically created the very crisis he claims to address.

    That Walker refuses any compromise at all, even though the unions agreed to accept wage and benefit reductions as long as they keep the right to collective bargaining, shows that the budget isn't the point. Power is."[/QUOTE]
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/terran..._b_827847.html
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Wisconsin and the GOP's War on the Middle Class



    "It is an act of war. America's class war has arrived on our doorstep with the subtlety of a daisy cutter. Now, the big questions are the outcome, and whether Democrats will show America whose side they are on.

    What Conservatives Really Want

    Conservatives are trying to eliminate the last "good jobs" left in America. They're not just targeting public employees and public employee unions, but the very concepts of a common good and a public interest. George Lakoff explained that "Conservatives really want to change the basis of American life, to make America run according to the conservative moral worldview in all areas of life," in which " ... it would be wrong for the government to provide health care, education, public broadcasting, public parks and so on."

    When abstract budget cuts translate into fewer teachers, police officers, health workers, firefighters, etc. in our communities, we begin to realize that such cuts hurt rather than heal. We provide these things because we believe meeting certain needs, whether or not it's profitable is a common good.

    We are faced with a conservative movement that rejects the common good, and sees it as the problem.

    Ideology vs. Reality: Something Has To Give

    Wisconsin and other states are where the irresistible force of ideology meets the immovable object of reality. Like the Johnny Mercer lyric that says, "something's gotta give." As America looked on at the amazing protests in Egypt, we heard how Egypt's economic inequality catalyzed a movement. We learned that economic inequality is worse here than in Egypt. It's no coincidence protesters in Cairo and Madison have exchanged statements of solidarity.


    What does it mean when Americans in Madison, Wis., see themselves in the same boat at protesters in Egypt? It means that our domestic economic policies have mirrored our economically driven foreign policy, with consequences as devastating to working and middle-class Americans. Mother Jones magazine spelled it out in just eight charts.

    A Lost Middle Class, Unbridled Corporate Power

    This attack on the things government does that support the middle class, comes when the middle class is already weakened by decades of conservative policies. If it succeeds, We're facing a "lost decade" in which middle and working-class Americans suffer the loss of these supports, facing stagnation and downward mobility, and worse. As Kevin Drum notes, destroying unions removes the only remaining counterbalance to corporate power.

    Wisconsin illustrates that conservative economic and fiscal policies create crises that Republicans then exploit to accomplish political ends -- weakening their opponents and increasing power for themselves and their cronies. In a short time, Walker has destroyed (and threatened to destroy more) jobs than his policies are likely to create. The $117 billion in tax breaks that Walker and the Republican legislature pushed through for GOP cronies basically created the very crisis he claims to address.

    That Walker refuses any compromise at all, even though the unions agreed to accept wage and benefit reductions as long as they keep the right to collective bargaining, shows that the budget isn't the point. Power is."
    Terrance Heath: Wisconsin and the GOP's War on the Middle Class[/QUOTE]

    What do conservatives really want? A permanent peasant class OF COURSE.
    The haggardness of poverty is everywhere seen contrasted with the sleekness of wealth, the exhorted labor of some compensating for the idleness of others, wretched hovels by the side of stately colonnades, the rags of indigence blended with the ensigns of opulence; in a word, the most useless profusion in the midst of the most urgent wants.Jean-Baptiste Say

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I love the people who cannot understand the difference between top marginal rates (which has NOTHING to do with how progressive the tax system is) versus how much of the tax burden the top pays (which is the most important factor)
    I love people who twist the truth to their liking. The top marginal rate means each individual tax payer pays more taxes. That is the essence of the progressive tax system.


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