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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    These many different Wisconsin threads and their rabid anti-union vitriol reminds me of the great line of King Theoden in the film THE TWO TOWERS as his fortress of Helms Deep is besieged by an army of savage orcs who would destroy his civilization

    "what can men do against such reckless hate?"

    At least the working men and women of Wisconsin are standing tall and demonstrating what each of them can do.
    You mean union thugs from all over the country and from Obama's Organizing for America are standing up in Wisconsin to protect unions.
    Those protesters do not all live in Wisconsin and they didn't vote for or against Walker.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    The assault on workers continues. Quote from the article:



    So you have to attack workers to make sure you get enough money? What about reforming the state's 7.9% flat tax on corporations?



    Also what is this:

    about?

    The threat of the NG is nothing but trying to use force to break the backs of the workers and make sure that they won't protest.

    While unions will have to take some (economic) pain as well, there is absolutely no need to threaten the use of the National Guard.
    Scabs have always been the weapon of choice by oppressive employers in a dispute of this type.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Some here seem to think that without the Unions the workers would just be out there at the hands of people who can treat them all ways imaginable. Walker brought up that Wisconsin has one of the strongest Civil Service Protection Laws in the Country. He also said that without paying Union dues (which will be voluntary if his bill passes)it would help offset what will be taken out for heathcare and pensions. He says Unions have become too powerful.
    He said he doesn't want to lay-off a single person but they may have to lay off between 5-6 thousand if they can't get the budget in line.
    He also said they received 19,000 emails (think in one day) and most were in support of what he is doing.
    Anyway, here is a link to Wisconsin's Civil service protection laws. I think they'll be just fine even if the Unions are busted.

    http://legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/Stat0230.pdf
    Again, unions were the "free market" response to poor work conditions. So are you for government controlling business or the free market? I am confused. I thought you were conservative.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    The assault on workers continues. Quote from the article:



    So you have to attack workers to make sure you get enough money? What about reforming the state's 7.9% flat tax on corporations?

    Also what is this:

    about?

    The threat of the NG is nothing but trying to use force to break the backs of the workers and make sure that they won't protest.

    While unions will have to take some (economic) pain as well, there is absolutely no need to threaten the use of the National Guard.
    The National Guard to replace those on strike makes sense to me. They would be qualified to do the jobs the Union workers abandoned.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Again, unions were the "free market" response to poor work conditions. So are you for government controlling business or the free market? I am confused. I thought you were conservative.
    And the free market response to union protests should be fine...you're fired...we'll replace you with someone that appreciates an aver salry of 55k with a compensation package of 50k. And it HAS to be noted...the unions threw all those portestors right under the bus for the sake of...what? More union members (which equals more dues).

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Again, unions were the "free market" response to poor work conditions. So are you for government controlling business or the free market? I am confused. I thought you were conservative.
    What's free market and unions have to do with each other? Unions stifle the free market in my opinion.

    Civil Service protection already addresses poor work conditions etc.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    What's free market and unions have to do with each other? Unions stifle the free market in my opinion.

    Civil Service protection already addresses poor work conditions etc.
    Hey...Im all for the unions free market approach and strikes. Im also all for the state replacing the workers. Choice and consequence.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    What's free market and unions have to do with each other? Unions stifle the free market in my opinion.

    Civil Service protection already addresses poor work conditions etc.
    business constantly lobbies to lower worker protections, workplace safety requirements , work to adjust conditions on which overtime has to be paid....without the unions 'in the way', i'm sure this would all be much easier to accomplish...

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    business constantly lobbies to lower worker protections, workplace safety requirements , work to adjust conditions on which overtime has to be paid....without the unions 'in the way', i'm sure this would all be much easier to accomplish...
    I'll play your silly game of vague generalities...

    Unions constantly lobbies to raise workers pay and compensation packages, protect incompetent and dishonest employees, suckj resources and eventually the life out of state budgets and taxpayers, and killed the job market....without people trying to end the union stranglehold that has chocked the life out of the US job market, Im sure they would eventually manage to drive all industrial jobs overseas and cause the states to go bankrupt trying to pay their contracts

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I'll play your silly game of vague generalities...

    Unions constantly lobbies to raise workers pay and compensation packages, protect incompetent and dishonest employees, suckj resources and eventually the life out of state budgets and taxpayers, and killed the job market....without people trying to end the union stranglehold that has chocked the life out of the US job market, Im sure they would eventually manage to drive all industrial jobs overseas and cause the states to go bankrupt trying to pay their contracts
    no 'vague generalities'...this is what the business lobby does...and as far as the last part of your post, your logic makes everyone that draws a paycheck from an employer to be the equal of a parasite....the rest of your post is pure garbage.

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