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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    And Walker's bill does nothing to address Superintendent salaries. It only makes teachers pay more of their healthcare and pension costs. Superintendents will not be touched. Therefore your point is moot.

    It only proves that people who make less are being made to sacrifice, while those who make more aren't asked to sacrifice a thing.

    Thank you for continually making my points for me.
    No it means people that have the free ride of unions will no longer get big raises they do not deserve. If the teachers were doing their job you might have a point.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    What a load of manure. Any money going in your pocket is income. The rich have found a way to cheat. Its pure and simple. All money going into anybodys pocket should be taxed as income.
    No congress has done this and no one else

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    more rantings about the rich

    LOL

    what silly generalizations

    envy and spite towards the rich

    its so amusing
    The Top Ten Turtle Responses that Pretty Much Cover All His Posts

    Turtletalk #1 - The democrats want to increase taxes on the rich to keep them empowered with the votes of the poor.

    Turtletalk #2 - you are all envious of my money and wealth

    Turtletalk #3 - you do not have an Ivy League education like I do

    Turtletalk #4 - I'm a lawyer and actually went to law school

    Turtletalk #5 - socialists want to use up service that they never pay for and want the upper 2% to pay for them

    Turtletalk #6 - I pay more taxes in one month than the total income of most of your for one whole year

    Turtletalk #7 - I took a class in that in college so I know more than you do about it

    Turtletalk #8 - FDR bullied the Supreme Court into ignoring the law and the Tenth Amendment

    Turtletalk #9 - If I want that government service I will pay for it - otherwise I should not have to pay for it

    Turtletalk #10 - the upper class pays more taxes than everybody else combined and only they should be allowed to vote

    see Turtle - all; you had to do was make a post like this

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    That is deception. One is income one is capital gains not the same situation
    And that only proves that we cherish wealth over work. If we tax income earned by stashing money someplace at a lower rate than money earned through work, we value wealth over work. The wealthy aren't being asked to sacrifice a thing, while working people are asked to make all the sacrifices after the collapse.

    It may be true that the top 1% pay 40% of taxes; but they also own nearly about 40% of the wealth. So their "burden" is actually accurate to what they own and earn. However, this analysis is too simple, because the top 1% stop paying payroll taxes at $106,000 - so that tax burden begins to decline as they earn more, making payroll taxes regressive rather than progressive.

    For instance: a teacher making $50,000 will pay 25% of his income in FIT + 6.5% (or so) in payroll taxes. Thus, about 31.5% will be taken by the government (not counting loopholes, like mortgage deductions). Walker at $137,000 will pay 28% + 6.5% up to $106,000. Overall tax burden would be about 33%; thus the difference lowers from 3% in income tax to 1.5% overall. Say, a superintendent makes $400,000. He would pay 35% + 6.5% up to $106,000. Overall burden would be 36.1%, just 4.6 points more than the teacher. As income rises, this burden lowers. The top 1% earn an average of $1.3 million. So they pay 35% + 6.5% up to $106,000. Overall burden = 35.5% or only 4 points more than someone who makes 26 times what the teacher makes. If the income were capital gains (like it is for the Top 25 Hedge Fund Managers who made $1 BILLION each only pay 17.7% on their incomes and NO payrool taxes because their income is capital gains); then the person making $1.3 million would pay a burden of 11% LESS than the teachers we are attacking now and apparently considering the same thing as welfare queens.

    Once again: the people who benefit most from our economy are asked to sacrifice the least; and the people who educate our children are now enemies of the state.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The Top Ten Turtle Responses that Pretty Much Cover All His Posts

    Turtletalk #1 - The democrats want to increase taxes on the rich to keep them empowered with the votes of the poor.

    Turtletalk #2 - you are all envious of my money and wealth

    Turtletalk #3 - you do not have an Ivy League education like I do

    Turtletalk #4 - I'm a lawyer and actually went to law school

    Turtletalk #5 - socialists want to use up service that they never pay for and want the upper 2% to pay for them

    Turtletalk #6 - I pay more taxes in one month than the total income of most of your for one whole year

    Turtletalk #7 - I took a class in that in college so I know more than you do about it

    Turtletalk #8 - FDR bullied the Supreme Court into ignoring the law and the Tenth Amendment

    Turtletalk #9 - If I want that government service I will pay for it - otherwise I should not have to pay for it

    Turtletalk #10 - the upper class pays more taxes than everybody else combined and only they should be allowed to vote

    see Turtle - all; you had to do was make a post like this

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    Off topic must mean Turtle got to you again

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Off topic must mean Turtle got to you again
    an astute observation



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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    And that only proves that we cherish wealth over work. If we tax income earned by stashing money someplace at a lower rate than money earned through work, we value wealth over work. The wealthy aren't being asked to sacrifice a thing, while working people are asked to make all the sacrifices after the collapse.

    It may be true that the top 1% pay 40% of taxes; but they also own nearly about 40% of the wealth. So their "burden" is actually accurate to what they own and earn. However, this analysis is too simple, because the top 1% stop paying payroll taxes at $106,000 - so that tax burden begins to decline as they earn more, making payroll taxes regressive rather than progressive.

    For instance: a teacher making $50,000 will pay 25% of his income in FIT + 6.5% (or so) in payroll taxes. Thus, about 31.5% will be taken by the government (not counting loopholes, like mortgage deductions). Walker at $137,000 will pay 28% + 6.5% up to $106,000. Overall tax burden would be about 33%; thus the difference lowers from 3% in income tax to 1.5% overall. Say, a superintendent makes $400,000. He would pay 35% + 6.5% up to $106,000. Overall burden would be 36.1%, just 4.6 points more than the teacher. As income rises, this burden lowers. The top 1% earn an average of $1.3 million. So they pay 35% + 6.5% up to $106,000. Overall burden = 35.5% or only 4 points more than someone who makes 26 times what the teacher makes. If the income were capital gains (like it is for the Top 25 Hedge Fund Managers who made $1 BILLION each only pay 17.7% on their incomes and NO payrool taxes because their income is capital gains); then the person making $1.3 million would pay a burden of 11% LESS than the teachers we are attacking now and apparently considering the same thing as welfare queens.

    Once again: the people who benefit most from our economy are asked to sacrifice the least; and the people who educate our children are now enemies of the state.
    work is a means to an end

    as a former world class shooter I TRAINED TO win

    and winning was cherished over training

    and making money and paying for stuff is cherished over working


    the people who benefit the most are those who would have starved during most of history

    the unproductive and the untalented



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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    No it means people that have the free ride of unions will no longer get big raises they do not deserve. If the teachers were doing their job you might have a point.

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    Two-thirds of the eighth graders in Wisconsin public schools cannot read proficiently according to the U.S. Department of Education, despite the fact that Wisconsin spends more per pupil in its public schools than any other state in the Midwest.
    SAT and ACT Average Scores by States

    Wisconsin: 2nd in the nation in ACT / SAT scores.

    Last: South Carolina; 49th - North Carolina; 48th - Georgia; 47th - Texas; 44th - Virginia.

    These are the only 5 states that disallow collective bargaining for teachers.

    Wisconsin: Aiming for the bottom, thanks to Scott Walker!

    Suggets that better paid teachers create better prepared students.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    work is a means to an end

    as a former world class shooter I TRAINED TO win

    and winning was cherished over training

    and making money and paying for stuff is cherished over working


    the people who benefit the most are those who would have starved during most of history

    the unproductive and the untalented
    Yet even more shameless self promotion. The thread is not about YOU. Please stay on topic.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    work is a means to an end

    as a former world class shooter I TRAINED TO win

    and winning was cherished over training

    and making money and paying for stuff is cherished over working


    the people who benefit the most are those who would have starved during most of history

    the unproductive and the untalented
    You're right Paris Hilton benefits A LOT from the policies you support.

    And she is unproductive and untalented.

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