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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    and neither did his daughter.

    tax the living crap out of it.
    your envy and hatred comes to the surface

    why-he already paid lots of taxes while accumulating it

    where do you get off wanting the government to confiscate the property that was legally earned?



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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    That's BS, the top marginal rate when JFK became President was 91%. The top 1% pay more because the wealth has shifted to their favor since Reagan became president. Who are you kidding? The middle class is shink ing while the wealthy get richer, were're becoming a nation of oligarchs - the Koch Bros. for example.
    I love the people who cannot understand the difference between top marginal rates (which has NOTHING to do with how progressive the tax system is) versus how much of the tax burden the top pays (which is the most important factor)



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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    your envy and hatred comes to the surface

    why-he already paid lots of taxes while accumulating it

    where do you get off wanting the government to confiscate the property that was legally earned?
    Are you saying you want his heirs to avoid paying their legal taxes?
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    This isn't about the increase in personal contributions to retirement and healthcare.

    The Unions already agreed to that and have said so multiple times.

    This is NOTHING but Union busting. Period. It's stripping workers' rights away from them and nothing more.

    How can you not get that? Walker won't listen to anyone except his cheerleaders. Even some of his Republicans have said, "Let's take out this part of the bill and get back to work." And he refuses.

    It's because - like a lot of Republicans - he doesn't believe that work should be paid for.

    He also believe that he should have the right to sell off government property to anyone for any price he sees fit.

    It's corruption. It's taking money away from working people so the rich can get richer and nothing more.

    He strips rights from middle class workers - teachers, policemen & women, fire fighters, EMTs - and will sell public utilities to rich, private, investors (that taxpayers built and paid for) for less than they're worth.

    That's what this bill is about. It's not about teachers not accepting pay freezes or paying more for healthcare. If it were, this wouldn't have become news; because there would've been no controversy - because the Unions already agreed to it.

    You've posted how much you make. You believe one day, apparently, that you'll be one of the uberwealthy who will benefit from these policies. Hate to tell you, but it ain't gonna happen. Odds are very against you rising above your parents' station in this country.

    You are calling these people "fat cats" when they make about $48,000 a year. Nationwide, public employees with college degrees make about $51,000. Walker, himself, makes more than twice that - but I don't see him offering up his salary.

    He just wants to take it away from working people.
    Wrong the unions and teachers are taking it from working people, the taxpayers

    http://conservativedatingsite.com/bl...tor-employees/

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Not even you can defend public unions as I have seen here on this thread. Who pays the public union employees and who do the union leaders bargain with?
    Who ever is on the other side of the bargaining table.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Are you saying you want his heirs to avoid paying their legal taxes?
    what I am saying is that the death tax ought to be abolished



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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I love the people who cannot understand the difference between top marginal rates (which has NOTHING to do with how progressive the tax system is) versus how much of the tax burden the top pays (which is the most important factor)
    enlighten us with the facts then Turtle.

    Please do.

    We wait in great anticipation of the facts and figures from you.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I am not conviced FDR was against them. Here is the quote that going around the net these day:

    “It is impossible to bargain collectively with the government.”

    I don't find that statement conclusive proof he was against public unions.
    I'm pretty sure George Meany, the first president of the AFL-CIO, said that.

    FDR wrote: “Meticulous attention should be paid to the special relations and obligations of public servants to the public itself and to the Government….The process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service.....a strike of public employees manifests nothing less than an intent on their part to obstruct the operations of government until their demands are satisfied. Such action looking toward the paralysis of government by those who have sworn to support it is unthinkable and intolerable.”
    Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    The IRS doesn't. Too bad you don't spend more time doing research before posting and making dumbass statements.

    From the IRS


    The top 1% of wage earners make 20% of all income and pay 38% of all taxes.
    The top 5% of wage earners make 34.7% of all income and pay 58.7% of all taxes.
    The top 10% of wage earners make 45.8% of all income and pay 69.9% of all taxes.

    The bottom 50% make 12.8% of all income and pay 2.7% of all taxes.

    Currently approximately 47% of all Americans pay nothing on their earnings of 50,000/year or less and actually get money back making their tax rate negative.

    I would post the link but you don't pay any attention to links or anything else that refutes your opinions.
    "The Office of Tax Analysis of the United States Department of the Treasury summarized the (1981) tax changes as follows[2]:

    phased-in 23% cut in individual tax rates over 3 years; top rate dropped from 70% to 50%

    accelerated depreciation deductions; replaced depreciation system with ACRS

    indexed individual income tax parameters (beginning in 1985)

    created 10% exclusion on income for two-earner married couples ($3,000 cap)

    phased-in increase in estate tax exemption from $175,625 to $600,000 in 1987

    reduced Windfall Profit taxes

    allowed all working taxpayers to establish IRAs

    expanded provisions for employee stock ownership plans (ESOPs)

    replaced $200 interest exclusion with 15% net interest exclusion ($900 cap) (begin in 1985)"

    Economic Recovery Tax Act of 1981 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    So your position is that 38% > 70%? And that's not even counting all the other tax cuts provided to the wealthy.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    We may not all pay income tax - but you pay taxes. Lots of them, as Turtledude pointed out.
    So we are talking about unions and you want to bring up taxes that have nothing to do with paying teachers. I get it you have nothing.

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