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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    This isn't about the increase in personal contributions to retirement and healthcare.

    The Unions already agreed to that and have said so multiple times.

    This is NOTHING but Union busting. Period. It's stripping workers' rights away from them and nothing more.

    How can you not get that? Walker won't listen to anyone except his cheerleaders. Even some of his Republicans have said, "Let's take out this part of the bill and get back to work." And he refuses.

    It's because - like a lot of Republicans - he doesn't believe that work should be paid for.

    He also believe that he should have the right to sell off government property to anyone for any price he sees fit.

    It's corruption. It's taking money away from working people so the rich can get richer and nothing more.

    He strips rights from middle class workers - teachers, policemen & women, fire fighters, EMTs - and will sell public utilities to rich, private, investors (that taxpayers built and paid for) for less than they're worth.

    That's what this bill is about. It's not about teachers not accepting pay freezes or paying more for healthcare. If it were, this wouldn't have become news; because there would've been no controversy - because the Unions already agreed to it.

    You've posted how much you make. You believe one day, apparently, that you'll be one of the uberwealthy who will benefit from these policies. Hate to tell you, but it ain't gonna happen. Odds are very against you rising above your parents' station in this country.

    You are calling these people "fat cats" when they make about $48,000 a year. Nationwide, public employees with college degrees make about $51,000. Walker, himself, makes more than twice that - but I don't see him offering up his salary.

    He just wants to take it away from working people.
    Oh, booo hoooo. What he's stripping away? Federal workers don't even have. Give me a break. It's a way that Democratic politicians have kept themselves in office....on the backs of the other 88.1% of workers in this country.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    This isn't about the increase in personal contributions to retirement and healthcare.

    The Unions already agreed to that and have said so multiple times.

    This is NOTHING but Union busting. Period. It's stripping workers' rights away from them and nothing more.

    How can you not get that? Walker won't listen to anyone except his cheerleaders. Even some of his Republicans have said, "Let's take out this part of the bill and get back to work." And he refuses.

    It's because - like a lot of Republicans - he doesn't believe that work should be paid for.

    He also believe that he should have the right to sell off government property to anyone for any price he sees fit.

    It's corruption. It's taking money away from working people so the rich can get richer and nothing more.

    He strips rights from middle class workers - teachers, policemen & women, fire fighters, EMTs - and will sell public utilities to rich, private, investors (that taxpayers built and paid for) for less than they're worth.

    That's what this bill is about. It's not about teachers not accepting pay freezes or paying more for healthcare. If it were, this wouldn't have become news; because there would've been no controversy - because the Unions already agreed to it.

    You've posted how much you make. You believe one day, apparently, that you'll be one of the uberwealthy who will benefit from these policies. Hate to tell you, but it ain't gonna happen. Odds are very against you rising above your parents' station in this country.

    You are calling these people "fat cats" when they make about $48,000 a year. Nationwide, public employees with college degrees make about $51,000. Walker, himself, makes more than twice that - but I don't see him offering up his salary.

    He just wants to take it away from working people.
    how do the rich get richer by busting public unions unless you admit that the rich are paying almost all the taxes that fund the teachers unions.


    this is not a case where private unions are busted so scrooge McBucks can pay his 1000000 workers minimum wage rather than union rates

    this is about all the taxpayers not having to fund say the pensions at a 99 percent rate when Pub Sector unions in other states contribute 11% of their pay rather than less than one percent as is the case in the state in question

    its so the taxpayers don't have people they pay bargaining against the taxpayers interest



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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Perhaps you could say it's an assault on 11.9% of all working people!!!! Again, cry me a river.

    Never belonged to a union in my life. I've done very well in my life. Ya' know why? Because I was rewarded on my merits. I negotiated my own salary, my own benefits. And ya' know what else? It didn't cost the taxpayers a freakin' dime.
    You're right. **** teachers. Who needs 'em. Screw fire fighters and cops! I'll just put out my own fires and do my own murder investigations.

    Those people who work shouldn't get paid. Just you. **** everybody else.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    You're right. **** teachers. Who needs 'em. Screw fire fighters and cops! I'll just put out my own fires and do my own murder investigations.

    Those people who work shouldn't get paid. Just you. **** everybody else.
    FilmFestGuy! I'm surprised. Less coffee. More brain.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    yes I want the government to actually live within the limits of the constitution and the tenth amendment.
    Again we agree.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    We may not all pay income tax - but you pay taxes. Lots of them, as Turtledude pointed out.
    however, paying taxes that do not fund the services the FIT funds means that if you are not paying FIT you aren't carrying your fair share especially if you use those services. most of those other taxes are not general fund taxes-for example gasoline taxes go to roads, property taxes local schools, SS payments SS (LOL)



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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    **** the "death tax". It's the Paris Hilton Life Support Benefit (if you can give it a cutesy name, I can too).

    And OF COURSE the top 1% pay the most in the interitance tax. Because they're the only ones affected by it because they're the only ones who have enough to have the tax levied against them.

    DUH!

    why did the politicians set it up so only a small group pays it

    because if they had applied it to everyone they probably would have been shot

    why do you people cite Paris Hilton rather than the 75 percent of those who die with a taxable estate who earned it as first generation millionaires?



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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Perhaps you could say it's an assault on 11.9% of all working people!!!! Again, cry me a river.

    Never belonged to a union in my life. I've done very well in my life. Ya' know why? Because I was rewarded on my merits. I negotiated my own salary, my own benefits. And ya' know what else? It didn't cost the taxpayers a freakin' dime.
    one of my best friends back 20 years ago was a railroad engineer--got the job after doing three tours in the nam with the GBs.
    gung ho guy-big achiever, two silver stars-etc. so he takes that attitude to his train. pretty soon all the old timers tell him to chill out, back it down a few notches because he was making them look bad. after a couple years he realized that working harder and smarter didnt get him any advantages. He hurt his back in a wreck and got a big settlement and found another line of work because after breaking his back the constant vibrations on a train at him up he told me he'd never work in a union shop again and he never did



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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I said what I meant and meant what I said. the rich most of the actually tax dollars in this country. The top 5% pay more federal income taxes than the bottom 95% and more death confiscation taxes (indeed the top 1 percent pay more DC taxes than the bottom 99%)

    as to the taxes that fund teachers in the public sector-that depends on how the states fund them
    After the loopholes, deductions and tax breaks for the wealthy, our tax system is no longer progressive.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    one of my best friends back 20 years ago was a railroad engineer--got the job after doing three tours in the nam with the GBs.
    gung ho guy-big achiever, two silver stars-etc. so he takes that attitude to his train. pretty soon all the old timers tell him to chill out, back it down a few notches because he was making them look bad. after a couple years he realized that working harder and smarter didnt get him any advantages. He hurt his back in a wreck and got a big settlement and found another line of work because after breaking his back the constant vibrations on a train at him up he told me he'd never work in a union shop again and he never did
    Oh, yeah. My mom was a member of a union. She was on piece work. If she made too many pieces, the union steward came and had a Come to Jesus with her. I get it.

    Unions are fabulous at rewarding mediocrity.
    Last edited by MaggieD; 02-26-11 at 08:51 PM.
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