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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Libertarians also wish to end corporate welfare and our military imperialism around the globe. You okay with that too?
    yeah for the most part



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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

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    You really don't have a clue how to create jobs. You look at the tax cuts to lure companies and ignore the people those companies hire that pay taxes. you don't have a lot of credibility on any issue as you run when confronted. Just like tax cuts to you cause deficits and not spending. You see tax cuts doing nothing for the economy and history proves you wrong. Walker is trying to lure people back to the states, think raising taxes to fund public unions will do that?
    So your plan is cut the working man back to third world wages so we can compete??? If you think "luring" companies to your area over another is important than raise taxes on everyone to pay for it, don't take it away from working people trying to make a living. These unfunded expenditures have much more to do with our debt than does the piddling amount we pay our teachers, firefighters and police.

    Do you really believe we can become debt free on the backs of the working class?
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    It is not the education but what others make for the same job. You want to distort to justify the overpayment of government employees

    What overpayment? How much do you think teachers, firefighters and police should make? Let's see your numbers.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You really hate it when I tell you that you fail to comprehend what other posters write. You keep saying that is not the case despite it happening over and over and over again in thread after thread after thread.

    Now it seems that you fail to even comprehend what you yourself write.

    Again, here is your allegation



    My position?!?!?!? What in the world are you talking about? Why do you have a link which says not one single word to support the claim you previously made? Do you even read your own links?

    This is YOUR POSITION taken earlier that is under discussion. Got that Turtle? YOUR POSITION. But at least you get credit for attempting a Three Card Montie switch even though you failed at it.

    Sadly, the material you posted above FAILS MISERABLY to support your allegation. Most likely because you are trying very hard to make everyone forget what it actually was and now want to trot out a strawman of your own creation to do battle with.

    Please do your work this time. Find some objective and authoritative source which provides the data to support your claim. I understand you have precious little experience finding data that agrees with you so you have this second chance.
    those who go into the teaching major are generally the bottom of the barrel academically.

    I cannot think of anyone who planned on being a HS teacher who I went to Yale with. One guy-a Marshall scholar, dropped out of yale Law to teach at a yeshiva after suddenly becing far more observant a Jew than he was in college but he is the only one of about 500 people I knew well enough to know what they did after college. I would say 200 went to law school, 100 went to medical school, 100 went to graduate school 7 went to the military, 10 trained for various olympic games (mostly rowing) and most of the rest worked and then went to b school or law school



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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Getting back to the thread topic - Gallup Poll: Only Highest Earners Support Gutting Collective Bargaining


    "Gov. Scott Walker (R-WI) does have at least one demographic on his side in the battle to eliminate collective bargaining rights for public unions -- the wealthy.

    Earlier this week, Gallup released a poll showing that six in ten Americans said they oppose plans to roll back collective bargaining rights for public unions in their own states. As Greg Sargent noted today, only one income bracket within that poll -- those making more than $90,000 per year -- favors that idea.

    In fact, the more money people make, the more likely they are to support eliminating collective bargaining, according to the poll.

    Among those who make less than $24,000 per year, 19% support cutting union rights, while 74% are opposed. Americans earning between $24,000 and $59,999 oppose that plan by a 33% to 63% split, while those earning between $60,000 and $89,999 also opposed the plan, 41% to 53%.

    Among the top earners, however, 50% said they would support a plan to cut collective bargaining rights to reduce the deficit, while 47% said they oppose such a plan.

    There have only been a smattering of polls on the question so far, but surveys so far have largely shown Americans supporting unions over Walker."

    Gallup Poll: Only Highest Earners Support Gutting Collective Bargaining | TPMDC
    ie those paying most of the taxes?



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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    It is not the education but what others make for the same job. You want to distort to justify the overpayment of government employees
    The Education Divide - NYTimes.com

    Public workers with college degrees make an average of $13,000 LESS than their private sector counterparts. Only in unskilled labor requiring no degree do they make (and then slightly) more than private sector workers.

    Myth busted.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    those who go into the teaching major are generally the bottom of the barrel academically.

    I cannot think of anyone who planned on being a HS teacher who I went to Yale with. One guy-a Marshall scholar, dropped out of yale Law to teach at a yeshiva after suddenly becing far more observant a Jew than he was in college but he is the only one of about 500 people I knew well enough to know what they did after college. I would say 200 went to law school, 100 went to medical school, 100 went to graduate school 7 went to the military, 10 trained for various olympic games (mostly rowing) and most of the rest worked and then went to b school or law school
    Here's an idea, genius, pay them more and you'd attract higher quality people.

    Keep paying them **** and you're just going to end up with dumber children and a worse economy.

    Oh, but you'd have more people to look down upon from your ivory tower, so I guess I see why you would like that so much.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    What overpayment? How much do you think teachers, firefighters and police should make? Let's see your numbers.
    I think in this economy and with the government with no money they are doing better than most and should be content they are well off.

    The next step is layoffs is that what you want. thenthey will have to live on unemployment which is much less.


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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    The Education Divide - NYTimes.com

    Public workers with college degrees make an average of $13,000 LESS than their private sector counterparts. Only in unskilled labor requiring no degree do they make (and then slightly) more than private sector workers.

    Myth busted.
    Where do you get $13,000. By professors I see $2,000 which is almost nothing

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    yeah for the most part
    I am delighted we both agree with ending corporate welfare and US military imperialism around the globe!
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