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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    From what I find, many, though not all, libertarians are basically conservatives who want to have a weak gov, yet they want to enjoy public services like roads, sewage, national defense, etc.

    I don't believe it's out of context at all.



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    And you are cordially invited to show where I said that conservatives reject "the idea of being Taxed for Roads, Fire Fighters etc."

    Congrats on taking my quote out of context.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Your completely ignoring the issue I bought up. Since you are saying that unions "give a damn about their own state or how their benefits impact it," I am bringing up examples of how Wall Street has screwed over the entire nation,
    These companies that failed should be allowed to fail, and... more importantly... the government should have stayed out of the housing business with HUD and forcing banks to loan money to high risk folks. If that had been done, we wouldn't have the mess we have.

    the auto industry as well
    You're crapping on unions.
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    Who knew? Speculation about which welfare state will be the first to buckle under the strain of the pension and medical costs of aging populations usually focuses on European nations with declining birthrates and aging populations. Who knew the first to buckle would be General Motors, with Ford not far behind?

    GM is a car and truck company -- for the 74th consecutive year, the world's largest -- and has revenue greater than Arizona's gross state product. But GM's stock price is down 45 percent from a year ago; its market capitalization is smaller than Harley-Davidson's. This is partly because GM is a welfare state.

    Health care for retirees and their families -- there are 2.6 of them for every active worker -- is 69 percent of GM's health costs. GM says it has $19.8 billion in cash, and normal mortality rates will reduce the ratio of retirees to active workers. Meanwhile, Rick Wagoner, GM's chief executive, can only muse, "It's strange. When I joined GM 28 years ago, I did it because I love cars and trucks. I had no idea I'd wind up working as a health care administrator."
    and also the states in which they resided in as well as companies that outsource and offshore don't "give a damn about their own state or how their benefits impact it."
    When government artificially raises wages, and adds all manner of burdens, do not be surprised if the business relocates to survive. Again... government is the problem.

    Please address the issue I bought up. So far the US government "had lent, spent or guaranteed as much as $12.8 trillion to rescue the economy" to Wall Street.
    The government creates a problem and then thinks government targeted taxpayer money is the solution. How many times do we have to learn government screws people almost every time it seeks to help them.

    and the defense industry, along with the Pentagon's own crappy cost system, has cost the US taxpayers billions
    And Libs advocate more government.

    The military is Constitutional, and if we stuck to our Constitutional knitting instead of all manner of programs and redistribution, they might be able to do the limited things they are supposed to do under the Constitution in a decent manner.

    FDR was right about public sector unions, and he has been proven right... YET... the left still doesn't get it or want to get it. We are in up beyond our eyeballs in RED, and they think the party can go on and on and on.

    That's why I started this thread with a simple statement... "The sweet smell of sobriety." BUT... some simply don't want to sober up and we know who you are and Yes We Can easily identify you and your elected enablers come 2012.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    For all those wailing about how it's all the "gubmint's" fault, I would like to remind EVERYONE that wealth preselects the majority of our candidates for us to choose from. Money is the commanding voice in our politics.

    So I ask the question: why doesn't wealth choose better candidates?

    Wealth chooses foxes to guard the henhouses and then blames the chickens for the resulting carnage.

    It would seem that removing private money from our politics, FROM BOTH SIDES would go a LONG way toward addressing everyone's issues.

    Except the lack of physical votes for the conservative elite, which they feel they have the right to counter with their wealth.

    So I bet that NEVER happens.

    Yay, propaganda!
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Amazed View Post
    From what I find, many, though not all, libertarians are basically conservatives who want to have a weak gov, yet they want to enjoy public services like roads, sewage, national defense, etc.

    I don't believe it's out of context at all.
    You are saying that because I said they want a weak government, it means I think that they want to get out of paying taxes.

    Do you see how those two don't get relate?

    Edit: Do you see how you are making a massive leap in the thought process, without proof to back it up?
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    You're crapping on unions.

    Actually, I'm crapping on the CEOs of the 3 auto companies which we bailed out.

    Edit: Wording, was originally "Actually, I'm crapping on the CEOs of the 3 auto companies which we had to bail out," I then thought about it and realized that we didn't have to bail them out.


    The military is Constitutional, and if we stuck to our Constitutional knitting instead of all manner of programs and redistribution, they might be able to do the limited things they are supposed to do under the Constitution in a decent manner.
    How would that address the problem of overpaying defense companies and the Pentagon's own crappy pricing system?
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so it is your position that the smartest kids gravitate to a profession that almost never pays 6 figures and not those where the average partner makes 250K or more a year


    Recruiting “Top Third” Talent into the US Teaching Ranks Eduleadership - Justin Baeder on principal performance & productivity


    the US, the report points out, only 23% of teachers entering the workforce are among the top third, and the proportion is even lower (14%) among those taking jobs in high-poverty schools.
    You really hate it when I tell you that you fail to comprehend what other posters write. You keep saying that is not the case despite it happening over and over and over again in thread after thread after thread.

    Now it seems that you fail to even comprehend what you yourself write.

    Again, here is your allegation

    teaching attracts the lower and lowest ranked HS students entering college.
    My position?!?!?!? What in the world are you talking about? Why do you have a link which says not one single word to support the claim you previously made? Do you even read your own links?

    This is YOUR POSITION taken earlier that is under discussion. Got that Turtle? YOUR POSITION. But at least you get credit for attempting a Three Card Montie switch even though you failed at it.

    Sadly, the material you posted above FAILS MISERABLY to support your allegation. Most likely because you are trying very hard to make everyone forget what it actually was and now want to trot out a strawman of your own creation to do battle with.

    Please do your work this time. Find some objective and authoritative source which provides the data to support your claim. I understand you have precious little experience finding data that agrees with you so you have this second chance.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Yes, the Constitution has been pissed and shat upon a whole lot since he opened Pandora's Box.

    Now we're trying to stuff the crap back in where it belongs. It's stunk up this country long enough.

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    Its a good thing that the men and women whose opinions actually count on this issue are in the Supreme Court Building and you are .... you are .... you are posting here about ..... now that part is hard to say exactly what it is you are posting about.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You really hate it when I tell you that you fail to comprehend what other poster write. You keep saying that is not the case despite it happening over and over and over again in thread after thread after thread.

    Now it seems that you fail to even comprehend what you yourself write.

    Again, here is your allegation



    My position?!?!?!? What in the world are you talking about?

    This is YOUR POSITION taken earlier that is under discussion. Got that Turtle? YOUR POSITION. But at least you get credit for attempting a Three Card Montie switch even though you failed at it.

    Sadly, the material you posted above FAILS MISERABLY to support your allegation. Most likely because you are trying very hard to make everyone forget what it actually was and now want to trot out a strawman of your own creation to do battle with.

    Please do your work this time. Find some objective and authoritative source which provides the data to support your claim.
    good luck getting those sources.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    good luck getting those sources.
    there is a better chance of Hell freezing over tonight.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Getting back to the thread topic - Gallup Poll: Only Highest Earners Support Gutting Collective Bargaining


    "Gov. Scott Walker (R-WI) does have at least one demographic on his side in the battle to eliminate collective bargaining rights for public unions -- the wealthy.

    Earlier this week, Gallup released a poll showing that six in ten Americans said they oppose plans to roll back collective bargaining rights for public unions in their own states. As Greg Sargent noted today, only one income bracket within that poll -- those making more than $90,000 per year -- favors that idea.

    In fact, the more money people make, the more likely they are to support eliminating collective bargaining, according to the poll.

    Among those who make less than $24,000 per year, 19% support cutting union rights, while 74% are opposed. Americans earning between $24,000 and $59,999 oppose that plan by a 33% to 63% split, while those earning between $60,000 and $89,999 also opposed the plan, 41% to 53%.

    Among the top earners, however, 50% said they would support a plan to cut collective bargaining rights to reduce the deficit, while 47% said they oppose such a plan.

    There have only been a smattering of polls on the question so far, but surveys so far have largely shown Americans supporting unions over Walker."

    Gallup Poll: Only Highest Earners Support Gutting Collective Bargaining | TPMDC
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