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    Re: Obama budget resurrects rejected tax increases

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    For someone that supports individual liberty over using government to force peopel to pay for things...yeah, they may support that even though they don't benefit. Oh my god, peopel with a concscionce should be condemned? You mean you think people should only support legislation if it pumps money from someone else and gives it to them? That's sick Catawba. Justice is supposed to be blind, ethics are supposed to apply to everyone.
    We all have to fund things that don't benefit us. I did not vote to have trillions of dollars of debt for years of unfunded tax cuts to the wealthiest, or the trillions of dollars for our unfunded and unnecessary wars. Yet myself and future generations of tax payers are forced to pay for them. Personally, I feel much better about programs to promote the health and wefare of our own people than I do killing others in an attempt to force them to our way of government.
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    Re: Obama budget resurrects rejected tax increases

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    We had no serious debt problem until Reagan and Bush slashed the top tax rates.
    I agree with cutting spending. There is much spending of which I am not in favor. However, we need to cut spending first and then set tax rates to cover our bills. To do it in reverse order, will just add to the debt as did under Reagan and Bush.




    That is one of the core differences between liberals and conservatives. We believe the health and welfare of our own people comes before unfunded and unnecessary wars, and tax cuts for the rich. We have no crisis in SS and Medicaid, all that is required is to once again make the richest pay their fair share. Simply cut any waste and fraud in the systems, raise the $106,000 cap for rich, and put the SS and Medicaid funds in a locked account that cannot be used to offset other government expenditures. Crisis solved



    Because of the Constitutional mandate to protect the health and welfare of the people.
    The word “health” does not appear in the Constitution.
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    Re: Obama budget resurrects rejected tax increases

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    "the general welfare" is not delegation of the power you claim
    Proof...................?
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    Re: Obama budget resurrects rejected tax increases

    Quote Originally Posted by Gapeach View Post
    The word “health” does not appear in the Constitution.
    Promoting the general welfare by ignoring the health of the people would not make very much sense.
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    Re: Obama budget resurrects rejected tax increases

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Proof...................?
    having taught constitutional law I know what is a proper delegation of power

    how about you? find some support for your claim that general welfare means payments to some by others and then square that with the tenth amendment



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    Re: Obama budget resurrects rejected tax increases

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Promoting the general welfare by ignoring the health of the people would not make very much sense.
    you can use that nonsense to justify feeding people and giving them homes

    in fact you can claim anything that congress determines is for the general welfare thus must be constitutional

    that claim didn't work in Lopez



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    Re: Obama budget resurrects rejected tax increases

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    having taught constitutional law I know what is a proper delegation of power
    Than surely your can find some facts to post to back up your position.

    how about you? find some support for your claim that general welfare means payments to some by others and then square that with the tenth amendment
    I have the evidence of the rule of law. Social security and Medicaid/Medicare have been upheld without successful challenge for approx. 80 years.
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    Re: Obama budget resurrects rejected tax increases

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you can claim anything that congress determines is for the general welfare thus must be constitutional
    No, you can't. It has to be upheld by the Supreme court if challenged.
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    Re: Obama budget resurrects rejected tax increases

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Than surely your can find some facts to post to back up your position.



    I have the evidence of the rule of law. Social security and Medicaid/Medicare have been upheld without successful challenge for approx. 80 years.
    I have admitted in dozens of posts that the FDR administrations judges completely ignored over 100 years of precedent (culminating with Schechter Poultry) and completely ignored the tenth amendment

    you are correct in noting that the court has failed to uphold the constitution

    now find one legal scholar who will support what the court has done as being a correct interpretation



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    Re: Obama budget resurrects rejected tax increases

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    No, you can't. It has to be upheld by the Supreme court if challenged.
    so it is your learned position that Lopez never happened and the USSC will uphold Obama care

    OK

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