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    Re: Obama budget resurrects rejected tax increases

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    my opinion............

    Thanks! If you ever find some facts to back it up, please let us know.
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    Re: Obama budget resurrects rejected tax increases

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    my opinion-people ought to pay for what they want and if they cannot afford to pay for that they have no moral authority demanding others pay for it

    so how are my opinions "wrong"

    and neither you nor the other welfare socialists ever proven anything I have stated is "Wrong"
    Right, but you have to understand the idea of someone's worth is also subjective. They are paid a subjective salary, taxed a subjective amount, etc. So the amount of money an individual has does not necessarily define that individual or make them any less hardworking.

    Pay them more and they can afford it and then all of the sudden they aren't bums anymore. Have you seen teacher's salaries recently?

    They can't afford much if anything at all... do you think they don't deserve a good life as much as anyone else? What determines someone's worth?

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    Re: Obama budget resurrects rejected tax increases

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Thanks! If you ever find some facts to back it up, please let us know.
    i guess you really cannot understand the issue

    and what facts have you ever posted that support your belief that income redistribution is more "good" than my belief

    maybe you will post facts proving that Red is a better color than green while you are at it

    you really aren't very knowledgeable about this concept are you?



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    Re: Obama budget resurrects rejected tax increases

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    I do not have any fundamental problems with the fair tax. I think it has promise and, in theory, could work. The only real issues I see with it is that it taxes consumption, so it could cause the rich to spend less, especially on American goods, which would cause even more cash hoarding.

    If there is a big fair tax on that new jet they want, they may just go somewhere else and buy it or avoid it all together. It does not address the issue of people who have entirely too much money.



    Great debating with you. Well, I wouldn't call it debating.
    So people work hard and make money and you decide how much they should have?

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    Re: Obama budget resurrects rejected tax increases

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Right, but you have to understand the idea of someone's worth is also subjective. They are paid a subjective salary, taxed a subjective amount, etc. So the amount of money an individual has does not necessarily define that individual or make them any less hardworking.

    Pay them more and they can afford it and then all of the sudden they aren't bums anymore. Have you seen teacher's salaries recently?

    They can't afford much if anything at all... do you think they don't deserve a good life as much as anyone else? What determines someone's worth?
    when we cut away all the crap,all the nonsense, all the artificial parameters, all that is left is nature. and in nature, those who don't produce don't survive/ is that "fair"? who knows but its the undeniable reality of earth for as long as there has been life on this planet.

    so when someone whines that its not fair that they aren't rich or they aren't smart or they arent lucky or they dont make a million or they aren't Tiger Woods or Brad Pitt or Paris Hilton it really is irrelevant.

    if you -for whatever reason-bad luck, lack of talent poor parents, drug addictions, criminal records, etc-cannot pay for what you need you really have no moral claim upon someone else to pay for what you need unless they directly prevented you improperly from being able to get what you need



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    Re: Obama budget resurrects rejected tax increases

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    So people work hard and make money and you decide how much they should have?
    yeah, that is their attitude. existence within a certain area of you is all they think they need to have a just claim on your wealth



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    Re: Obama budget resurrects rejected tax increases

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    i guess you really cannot understand the issue

    and what facts have you ever posted that support your belief that income redistribution is more "good" than my belief

    maybe you will post facts proving that Red is a better color than green while you are at it

    you really aren't very knowledgeable about this concept are you?
    I provided facts to show the inequality in the tax system. Still waiting on facts to back up anything you've opined about.
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    Re: Obama budget resurrects rejected tax increases

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I provided facts to show the inequality in the tax system. Still waiting on facts to back up anything you've opined about.
    You mean the part where 40% pay no taxes

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    Re: Obama budget resurrects rejected tax increases

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    So people work hard and make money and you decide how much they should have?
    Does it look like I decide? No, the "free market" supposedly does - whatever that means. This free market God is someone that I'd love to meet someday. He/she clearly makes a lot of weird decisions. I am still unsure about his/her infallibility.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    when we cut away all the crap,all the nonsense, all the artificial parameters, all that is left is nature. and in nature, those who don't produce don't survive/ is that "fair"? who knows but its the undeniable reality of earth for as long as there has been life on this planet.

    so when someone whines that its not fair that they aren't rich or they aren't smart or they arent lucky or they dont make a million or they aren't Tiger Woods or Brad Pitt or Paris Hilton it really is irrelevant.

    if you -for whatever reason-bad luck, lack of talent poor parents, drug addictions, criminal records, etc-cannot pay for what you need you really have no moral claim upon someone else to pay for what you need unless they directly prevented you improperly from being able to get what you need
    Well, unfair this unfair that. I am less of a whiner than you might think. I am not crying, I am on a board that was developed for debating and I am doing just that. You can call it whining, but I would say it is trying to change a flawed system.

    People said the same thing about their indentured servants 300 years ago. Why were they whining about being oppressed and forced into underpaid/unpaid work and bad conditions with continual broken promises of freedom. Just like the influx of the Irish, people called them dirty illegal immigrants who did not deserve to live here - now its Latinos. The truth is times are always changing and there is always one group kicking and screaming as they get dragged along into the future.

    You can kick and scream or you can be productive in the progression of human history.
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    Re: Obama budget resurrects rejected tax increases

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I provided facts to show the inequality in the tax system. Still waiting on facts to back up anything you've opined about.
    the only inequality is that far too many people don't pay for what they use

    Do I really need to prove to someone who pretends to be as well informed as you do that 5 percent of the population pays more of the federal income tax and death tax than the other 95?



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