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    Just watching ABC News, and a very interesting report says that Egyptians are taking a serious look at the US Constitution in order to formulate their own Constitution. I have three observations to make here:

    1) An Islamic state in Egypt? Forget it. The literacy rate of Egypt is greater than 50%, meaning that fundamentalists don't have a snowball's chance in hell of taking control. Even many of those who are illiterate believe that earning a living has greater importance than installing an Islamic theocracy in Egypt. As much as some are attempting to scare us with the Islamic boogeyman here, the fact is that Egypt is not Iran. Not even close.

    2) For those America bashers throughout the world, there is a message. Throughout history, America has mostly worked. In fact, America has worked so well that other nations that are throwing off their own yokes of oppression are looking to America as an example of what they can become. Sure, the resulting government probably won't be that close to what we have, but the fact that they are taking guidance from our Constitution is a good start. The beacon of light that America is, while a bit faded, is not broken. People still look up to us, and that makes me even prouder to be an American.

    3) Finally, if Egypt wants our Constitution, who am I to deny it to them? Take it, use it, and revere it for what it is, Egyptians. We haven't been using it lately anyways.
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    Re: Founding Fathers Visiting Egypt

    Some aspects of American government are laudable (as far as I am concerned, our judiciary is second to none), but over long periods of time, parliaments are generally superior legislatures.
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    Re: Founding Fathers Visiting Egypt

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Just watching ABC News, and a very interesting report says that Egyptians are taking a serious look at the US Constitution in order to formulate their own Constitution. I have three observations to make here:

    1) An Islamic state in Egypt? Forget it. The literacy rate of Egypt is greater than 50%, meaning that fundamentalists don't have a snowball's chance in hell of taking control. Even many of those who are illiterate believe that earning a living has greater importance than installing an Islamic theocracy in Egypt. As much as some are attempting to scare us with the Islamic boogeyman here, the fact is that Egypt is not Iran. Not even close.

    2) For those America bashers throughout the world, there is a message. Throughout history, America has mostly worked. In fact, America has worked so well that other nations that are throwing off their own yokes of oppression are looking to America as an example of what they can become. Sure, the resulting government probably won't be that close to what we have, but the fact that they are taking guidance from our Constitution is a good start. The beacon of light that America is, while a bit faded, is not broken. People still look up to us, and that makes me even prouder to be an American.

    3) Finally, if Egypt wants our Constitution, who am I to deny it to them? Take it, use it, and revere it for what it is, Egyptians. We haven't been using it lately anyways.
    Strange that an Islamic Society would wish to reference a Constitution whose precepts were based upon Blackstone's Commentaries on Law...which in turn was completely based upon Judeo/Christian philosophy.

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    Re: Founding Fathers Visiting Egypt

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Some aspects of American government are laudable (as far as I am concerned, our judicial branch is second to none), but over long periods of time, parliaments are generally superior legislatures.
    Right...that is why the United States has been governed in a Republican Fashion as a Constitutional Republic whose standard of calibrating governmental functions is drafted into 8 simple pages and 26/27 following amendments that has served as the Only Authority for close to 250 years, while on the other hand the supposedly superior governments of Europe and Western Civilization have under went on average "6" violent revolutions over the same time period resulting in millions of millions of unmarked graves around the globe. Sounds superior to me....if you learn nothing from history actual, which proves that people are far more efficient when they are self governed with the least amount of Government as possible being necessary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter View Post
    Strange that an Islamic Society would wish to reference a Constitution whose precepts were based upon Blackstone's Commentaries on Law...which in turn was completely based upon Judeo/Christian philosophy.

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    I don't think it's strange at all, when you examine the context on which the Constitution was written. The Constitution does not endorse any religion, or sect, but calls for religious freedom. This statement is backed by hard evidence.

    Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting "Jesus Christ," so that it would read "A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;" the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination.

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    Re: Founding Fathers Visiting Egypt

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    2) For those America bashers throughout the world, there is a message. Throughout history, America has mostly worked. In fact, America has worked so well that other nations that are throwing off their own yokes of oppression are looking to America as an example of what they can become. Sure, the resulting government probably won't be that close to what we have, but the fact that they are taking guidance from our Constitution is a good start. The beacon of light that America is, while a bit faded, is not broken. People still look up to us, and that makes me even prouder to be an American.
    I don't see it this way. A lot of people have compared the situation in Egypt to the fall of the Berlin Wall, and if we go with that analogy, the USA is equivalent to the Soviets, and the Arabic countries are the equivalent of the Eastern Bloc. This is not Egypt embracing American values, it is Egypt throwing off the shackles of American hegemony.

    Quote Originally Posted by Walter View Post
    Strange that an Islamic Society would wish to reference a Constitution whose precepts were based upon Blackstone's Commentaries on Law...which in turn was completely based upon Judeo/Christian philosophy.
    Doesn't seem odd at all when you realize that "Judeo-Christian" philosophy is a nonsense term and the Jewish, Christian and Islamic faiths all belong to the same Abrahamic tradition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    I don't see it this way. A lot of people have compared the situation in Egypt to the fall of the Berlin Wall, and if we go with that analogy, the USA is equivalent to the Soviets, and the Arabic countries are the equivalent of the Eastern Bloc. This is not Egypt embracing American values, it is Egypt throwing off the shackles of American hegemony.
    By using our Constitution? That does not make a bit of sense.
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    Re: Founding Fathers Visiting Egypt

    Quote Originally Posted by Walter View Post
    Right...that is why the United States has been governed in a Republican Fashion as a Constitutional Republic whose standard of calibrating governmental functions is drafted into 8 simple pages and 26/27 following amendments that has served as the Only Authority for close to 250 years, while on the other hand the supposedly superior governments of Europe and Western Civilization have under went on average "6" violent revolutions over the same time period resulting in millions of millions of unmarked graves around the globe. Sounds superior to me....if you learn nothing from history actual, which proves that people are far more efficient when they are self governed with the least amount of Government as possible being necessary.
    Not a fair comparison. The Civil War and all the political conflict leading up to it illustrates the fragility of our legislative branch. Additional tension was subverted by technological achievements which vastly altered the landscape of the human condition across the world, in a relatively short period of time.

    Anyway, if anything, the English Civil War illustrates the strength of Parliaments, since it united a geographically and culturally divided group against a hereditary monarch and won.

    Parliaments have a better track record when it comes to building a consensus which represents the full spectrum of political opinions held by a nation's inhabitants while still maintaining effective policies that guard against the encroachments of time. They satisfy both the psychological and economic demands of a democratically-inclined population.

    Our Congress would be great if we had learned gentry with strong civil service ethic and a culture which supported them, but a lasting rift between the average American and the Founding Fathers is that the former has very strong populist inclinations.

    Populism and Republicanism don't go together. Republicanism imposes heavy demands on the thoughts and behavior of its adherents, whereas populism imposes any demand it wants upon the systems governed by it. Unfortunately, our legislature does not support those demands.
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    Re: Founding Fathers Visiting Egypt

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post

    1) An Islamic state in Egypt? Forget it. The literacy rate of Egypt is greater than 50%, meaning that fundamentalists don't have a snowball's chance in hell of taking control. Even many of those who are illiterate believe that earning a living has greater importance than installing an Islamic theocracy in Egypt. As much as some are attempting to scare us with the Islamic boogeyman here, the fact is that Egypt is not Iran. Not even close.

    You must not realize that Iran's literacy rate is close to 20 points higher than Egypt's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    By using our Constitution? That does not make a bit of sense.
    By overthrowing the strong-man that was installed by and supported by the Americans. If the Egyptians should borrow some ideas from our institutions I don't see how that alters the basic nature of this revolution as a rejection of the American-imposed order.

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