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    YAF Expels Ron Paul

    Young Americans for Freedom has booted Ron Paul from it's membership, because "questions the military empire". Said the YAF director, Jordan Marks:

    It’s a sad day in American history when a one-time conservative/libertarian stalwart has fallen more out of touch with America’s needs for national security then our current socialist presidential regime. Rep. Paul is clearly off his meds and must be purged from public office. YAF is starting the process by removing him from our national advisory board. Good riddance and he won’t be missed.
    You know, I have to disagree with this decision in the strongest terms. Conservatives and Libertarians have contributed greatly to some aspects of the antiwar movement. In fact, the web site Antiwar was created by Conservatives and Libertarians to protest Clinton's war in Yugoslavia.

    But today I have the feeling that much of the rancor against Paul's stance is only because of who he is. After all, many that now bash him for his position strongly supported Clinton when he attacked Yugoslavia.

    Finally, you can see with your own eyes that, while they are quick to paint Buckley, who founded their organization, as a Neocon, and CIA agent, they forget that his experience in the CIA was only 2 years in the 1950's, that he was against regime change without the will of the people being involved, that he was for legalization of marijuana, believed that Iraq was a disaster. Buckley may have had a few views which ran opposite to his mostly Paleocon ideology, but he was nevertheless one of the greatest Paleocon thinkers of our time. What has happened to the YAF most likely has Buckley turning in his grave. This organization is not the same as the one Buckley founded.

    Who represents Goldwater better? Ron Paul or the YAF? You decide in the poll.

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    Re: YAF Expels Ron Paul

    It’s a sad day in American history when a one-time conservative/libertarian stalwart has fallen more out of touch with America’s needs for national security then our current socialist presidential regime. Rep. Paul is clearly off his meds and must be purged from public office. YAF is starting the process by removing him from our national advisory board. Good riddance and he won’t be missed.
    There is so much wrong with this quote I don't even know where to start.

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    Re: YAF Expels Ron Paul

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    There is so much wrong with this quote I don't even know where to start.
    I think someone at the YAF is off THEIR MEDS.

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    Re: YAF Expels Ron Paul

    Not surprising in the least

    YAF Kicks Ron Paul (and Bucket) LewRockwell.com Blog

    Young Americans for Freedom, the first neocon youth league—if you do not count the Young Trotskyites—has been a Beltway letterhead org since the early 1970s. Get this: it has 115 friends on Facebook. 115! Founded by CIA agent Bill Buckley, like National Review, it took libertarian domestic stands to cover its promotion of world military empire and the garrison state. Like NR, YAF eventually dropped all libertarian pretense. But now the ghost of the org, in order to get some attention (it worked) and to please those who advocate permanent war in the Middle East, has purged Ron Paul from one of its paper boards. I predict that this action, as true to its actual principles as it is, will be the end of YAF. But not even its 115 “friends” will notice. On the other hand, Young Americans for Liberty, a grassroots organization on campuses nationwide, is real. YAL is the future—the Paulian future.
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    Re: YAF Expels Ron Paul

    Reading the Sharon Statement, I can see how Paul would not represent their foreign policy views.
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    Re: YAF Expels Ron Paul

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    The irony here is that the YAF was started by Bill Buckley.
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    Re: YAF Expels Ron Paul

    Oh goodness, a conservative group that supports the military kicks an extreme isolationist??? MADNESS

    The YAF is more Reagan then Goldwater. Reagan won two terms... Goldwater... oh he lost didn't he?
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    Re: YAF Expels Ron Paul

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    The irony here is that the YAF was started by Bill Buckley.
    Eh, Rockwell and Co arent exactly fond of Buckley either

    The CIA agent, founder of the modern conservative movement, enforcer of warfare-state discipline on the right, brilliant writer and editor, transoceanic sailor, harpsichordist, TV star, charming aristocrat, founder of National Review and Young Americans for Freedom, enabler of neoconservatism, expeller of heretics from Birchers to Rothbardians, and thoroughly bad ideological influence in general, is dead at 82. Here is the NY Times obit. David Gordon and others will have more to say about him and his movement in LRC.

    UPDATE Here’s Alan Bock’s kind obit.
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    Oh goodness, a conservative group that supports the military kicks an extreme isolationist??? MADNESS
    Dr. Paul isnt an isolationist, try again.
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    Re: YAF Expels Ron Paul

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    In his often recited critique of 9/11, Paul never once mentions the fiery rage of jihadi fundamentalism that aims to restore “the lost caliphate” and invoke medieval Sharia. In Paul’s world, resentment towards “U.S. entanglements” led a group of sexually repressed Muslim men, brought up on a doctrine of aggressive Wahhabism (and the promised 72 virgins), to crash two planes into the Twin Towers.

    Not once does he answer why, if U.S. foreign policy causes so many people around the world to “hate us,” Islamic murderers carry out their belt-exploding best in India, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, Nigeria, and other unaligned (Muslim) nations.

    From 2007 in the Washington Post, here’s Paul talking about America’s defenses:

    There’s nobody in this world that could possibly attack us today. … I mean, we could defend this country with a few good submarines. If anybody dared touch us we could wipe any country off of the face of the earth within hours. And here we are, so intimidated and so insecure and we’re acting like such bullies that we have to attack third-world nations that have no military and have no weapon.

    Not only does his rhetoric shadow that of Ahmadinejad’s “wiping off the map” spiel, it unforgivably ignores the fact that a domestic passenger flight from Boston to Los Angeles inflicted 9/11. On how a submarine is supposed to infiltrate terrorism from within, he is less clear or visionary.
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    Re: YAF Expels Ron Paul

    It only shows how you neocons don't know the actual deffinition of Isolationism. Once again you people confuse Dr. Paul with Cold War and Nixon era relic Pat Buchanan. Point out CIA blowback isnt isolationist, its point out facts (you know the ones you people supposedly support) that if you bomb a man's home and kill his family (either directly or indirectly) eventually it will come back to haunt you. Dr. Paul has always advocated trade and commerece with all nations, isolationism is closing all the doors and pretend that the rest of the world doesnt exist.
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