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CBO Director Says ObamaCare Would Reduce Employment by 800,000 Workers

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CBO Director Says Obamacare Would Reduce Employment by 800,000 Workers | The Weekly Standard

CBO Director Says Obamacare Would Reduce Employment by 800,000 Workers

Testifying today before the House Budget Committee, Congressional Budget Office (CBO) Director Doug Elmendorf confirmed that Obamacare is expected to reduce the number of jobs in the labor market by an estimated 800,000.

Chairman [Paul] Ryan: “t’s been argued...that the new health care law will create jobs and increase labor force participation. But if I recall from your analysis, it was quite the opposite. Is that not the case?”

Director [Douglas] Elmendorf : “Yes.”...


The CBO/Liberal God has spoken......all the Democrat lies about ObamaCare "creating jobs" have been exposed.......and The Largest Job Killing piece of Legislation in US History takes another one on the chin.
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1. Yet another central PROMISE of Obamacare plays out false.

2. Just like the representation that it would reduce COSTS.

3. Just like the mantra-like claim that AMERICANS WHO LIKE THEIR CURRENT COVERAGE COULD KEEP IT.

4. Why has Secretary Sebelius EXEMPTED eight hundred Too Bigs from the yearly cap requirement?

5. Could it be because HHS recognizes that if it holds the SEIU's and McDonalds, et al, to the limits written in the law they will respond by simply DROPPING their employees?

6. The politics AGAINST Obamacare are piling up prodigiously.

7. It cuts Medicare's already overstrained and direly depended upon funding by a full HALF TRILLION dollars while simultaneously expanding its enrollment by millions.

8. It imposes hundreds of billions of dollars of obligation on our already broken backed STATES in the from of expanded Medicaid.

9. It cynically cuts another quarter tril out of its accounting by reckoning the DOC FIX off budget.

10. It DOUBLE COUNTS another quarter tril, says CBO.

11. It raises THREE QUARTERS OF A TRIL in new revenues---fines, fees, taxes, mandates---also according to CBO.

12. It relies on TEN years of taxes vs only SIX of benefits to reach its bogus bottom line.

13. Something like HALF of United States doctors are already refusing to treat new Medicare patients, who's gonna care for millions more?

14. ER costs, which were supposed to decrease under Obamacare, prime PAYFOR for all this expansion, turn out actually to go up.

15. And then there's THE MANDATE, ruled unconstitutional on behalf of 26 state AG's and opposed in the Senate by the likes of Claire McCaskill, Jon Tester, Ben and Bill Nelson, Joe Manchin, Jim Webb, Joe Lieberman...

16. Never has America experienced major social reform CRAMMED down its gagging gullet without broad bipartisan backing, let alone via Senate RECONCILIATION.

17. FDR enjoyed wide GOP support for Social Security, LBJ was backed broadly by Dirkson's delegation on Civil Rights and Medicare.

18. Chickens come home to roost, someone once said.

19. Republicans were sent to Washington and the state capitols in record numbers last November on the promise to REPEAL the poison.

20. Try to foresee what's coming next, it should be somewhat obvious.

Capitol Briefing - Senate votes to keep Medicare cuts

Director's Blog » Blog Archive » Additional Information on CBO’s Preliminary Analysis of H.R. 2

Helping Americans Keep the Coverage They Have and Promoting Transparency | HHS.gov

ER visits, costs in Mass. climb - The Boston Globe

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/02/business/retirementspecial/02health.html

Senate passes 1-year doc fix - The Hill's Healthwatch

Budget Office Rebuts Democratic Claims on Medicare (Update1) - Bloomberg

Governors balk over what healthcare bill will cost states - The Boston Globe[/QUOTE]
 
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This can't be true. The Messiah told us that it would add jobs.
 
The CBO/Liberal God has spoken......all the Democrat lies about ObamaCare "creating jobs" have been exposed.......and The Largest Job Killing piece of Legislation in US History takes another one on the chin.
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Notice, he said reduction in the LABOR MARKET. There will be less jobs because the healthcare law will cause some people to drop out of the labor force early.

A ‘Job-Killing’ Law? | FactCheck.org

Yep, Weekly Standard always gives you the whole story! Btw i don't even support the law.
 
i don't even support the law.

few do, and those who do, if you listen to em, almost invariably support what they wished this law was instead of this repugnant pig in its current form which was CRAMMED down america's throat

because if you did approve this pig you'd be signing off on half a T cuts to medicare while expanding it by millions, 200B burden on already bankrupt states, a quarter T doc fix off budget, a quarter T double counted according to cbo, THREE quarters of a T in new "revenues" according to cbo, ten years of taxes vs 6 of aid, the significant increase in er traffic and costs, the refusal of tens of thousands of doctors to take any more of these millions of new medicare and medicaid enrollees...

why to you think kathleen sebelius EXEMPTED the eight hundred?

what (two things) do you think might have happened if she hadn't?

do you think she WANTED to let the seiu's go free?

seeya in the courts, chums, in the capitols, in congress, in committee

bring your lawyers

and stay up
 
few do, and those who do, if you listen to em, almost invariably support what they wished this law was instead of this repugnant pig in its current form which was CRAMMED down america's throat

because if you did approve this pig you'd be signing off on half a T cuts to medicare while expanding it by millions, 200B burden on already bankrupt states, a quarter T doc fix off budget, a quarter T double counted according to cbo, THREE quarters of a T in new "revenues" according to cbo, ten years of taxes vs 6 of aid, the significant increase in er traffic and costs, the refusal of tens of thousands of doctors to take any more of these millions of new medicare and medicaid enrollees...

why to you think kathleen sebelius EXEMPTED the eight hundred?

what (two things) do you think might have happened if she hadn't?

do you think she WANTED to let the seiu's go free?

seeya in the courts, chums, in the capitols, in congress, in committee

bring your lawyers

and stay up

Okay dude, rock on.
 
800,000 people compared to the tens of millions that will benefit from the healthcare plan

What's your point doc?
 
800,000 people compared to the tens of millions that will benefit from the healthcare plan

What's your point doc?

What's another 800K to 1M jobs... it's not like we have a high unempl.... oh wait.


 
Funny, we don't wanna believe the CBO when they tell us that Obamacare could reduce the deficit, which would be a good thing for Obama.

But we do wanna believe it'll kill 800 000 jobs when they tell us, which is a bad thing for Obama.

Odd that...
 
Funny, we don't wanna believe the CBO when they tell us that Obamacare could reduce the deficit, which would be a good thing for Obama.

But we do wanna believe it'll kill 800 000 jobs when they tell us, which is a bad thing for Obama.

Odd that...

It's less about the CBO's believability and more about the credibility of the information provided and the results requested of the CBO.
 
What's another 800K to 1M jobs... it's not like we have a high unempl.... oh wait.

This isn't disney. Welcome to reality.

There is no magic wand to be waved around and provide everyone with a pretty dress to attend the ball. Sacrifices simply have to be made, something that Americans obviously have no clue about.
 
Funny, we don't wanna believe the CBO when they tell us that Obamacare could reduce the deficit, which would be a good thing for Obama.

But we do wanna believe it'll kill 800 000 jobs when they tell us, which is a bad thing for Obama.

Odd that...

Well, if you say it that way...you just sound ignorant. The protest was not that the CBO was unreliable, but the methods requested by Harry Reid did not accurately reflect the truth.
 
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Funny, we don't wanna believe the CBO when they tell us that Obamacare could reduce the deficit, which would be a good thing for Obama.

But we do wanna believe it'll kill 800 000 jobs when they tell us, which is a bad thing for Obama.

Odd that...

There's no way in hell that losing 800,000 jobs--plus the tax revenue those jobs would bring in--will reduce the deficite.
 
This isn't disney. Welcome to reality.

There is no magic wand to be waved around and provide everyone with a pretty dress to attend the ball. Sacrifices simply have to be made, something that Americans obviously have no clue about.

But that is exactly what was promised us. If we pass Obama care, the cost of health care would go down, the end results would improve, the number of doctors would magically increase and all while reducing the deficit, creating jobs and decreasing taxes. Meanwhile, the reallity is (as we predicted), the quality of care is going down, the cost of care is going up, taxes have increased and jobs will be lost....along with private care plans becoming a thing of the past.
 
This isn't disney. Welcome to reality.

There is no magic wand to be waved around and provide everyone with a pretty dress to attend the ball. Sacrifices simply have to be made, something that Americans obviously have no clue about.

And the sacrifice is having to accept Obamacare or did I miss your point?
 
This isn't disney. Welcome to reality.

There is no magic wand to be waved around and provide everyone with a pretty dress to attend the ball. Sacrifices simply have to be made, something that Americans obviously have no clue about.

Naw, **** that! If that's the case, then this piece-a-**** needs to repealed, in the morning.
 
This isn't disney. Welcome to reality.

There is no magic wand to be waved around and provide everyone with a pretty dress to attend the ball. Sacrifices simply have to be made, something that Americans obviously have no clue about.

The reality of the matter is that the constitution does not authoritze the Federal Government to order citzens to purchase health insurance. The US was built on the principal of the indiviual not the collective.
 
But that is exactly what was promised us. If we pass Obama care, the cost of health care would go down, the end results would improve, the number of doctors would magically increase and all while reducing the deficit, creating jobs and decreasing taxes. Meanwhile, the reallity is (as we predicted), the quality of care is going down, the cost of care is going up, taxes have increased and jobs will be lost....along with private care plans becoming a thing of the past.

The entire law hasn't even gone into effect, and already it's a job-killing, deficit-growing, freedom-hating piece of legislation? LMAO...You people are a joke. The cost of care going up has nothing to do with this law. Get real. By the way, under the Obama administration, you are paying less in taxes than you did under Bush. Taxes are at the lowest point since the 1960's. So, what was your point again?
 
Sacrifices simply have to be made

but president oblivious didn't sell it that way, did he?

sacrifices aplenty---half tril cuts to medicare while simultaneously expanding its tens of T's of unfunded liability by millions more miserable members, 200B burden on already bankrupt states, a quarter T doc fix, another quarter T double counted according to cbo, three quarters of a T in new taxes according to cbo, ten years of pay-in for 6 years of bennies, increased er traffic and costs, doctors refusing to treat new medicare patients, and 800 exemptions for too bigs who if they didn't get em obviously would either dump their employees or simply drop outta business

sell THAT, progressives

so, on top of being an amateur constitutionalist, completely over his head in the rough world of realpolitik, and insufferably arrogant and elitist, president obtuse also turns out to be a LIAR

live it, libs, love it, it's all YOURS
 
going personal?

LOL!

how self respecting

Spare me. I couldn't care less what you think about me.

cbo says obamacare includes more than three quarters of a trillion in new taxes, fines, fees and mandates

Director's Blog » Blog Archive » Additional Information on CBO’s Preliminary Analysis of H.R. 2

I don't know what you're reading from your own link. But let's have a look:

CBO and the staff of the Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) have not yet developed a detailed estimate of the budgetary impact of H.R. 2, the Repealing the Job-Killing Health Care Law Act, which would repeal the major health care legislation enacted in March 2010. Yesterday, we released a preliminary analysis of that legislation indicating that, over the 2012-2021 period, the effect of enacting H.R. 2 on the federal budget as a result of changes in direct spending and revenues is likely to be an increase in deficits in the vicinity of $230 billion, plus or minus the effects of forthcoming technical and economic changes to CBO’s and JCT’s projections for that period.

We have been asked to provide the revenue and direct spending components of that total. Extrapolating the estimated budgetary effects of the original health care legislation and accounting for the effects of subsequent legislation, CBO anticipates that enacting H.R. 2 would probably yield, for the 2012-2021 period, a reduction in revenues in the neighborhood of $770 billion and a reduction in outlays in the vicinity of $540 billion, plus or minus the effects of forthcoming technical and economic changes to CBO’s and JCT’s projections.

So, according to your own link, the GOP's HR 2 (Repealing Health Care) legislation would add $230 billion to the deficit and decrease revenue by $770 billion. I don't know what point you're trying to make, but it appears that you've failed epically.
 
I'd like to get back to the original point that I challenged:

ksu_aviator said:
taxes have increased and jobs will be lost.

We’re overtaxed right? Especially under that confiscatory socialist Barack Hussein Obama, who the Wall Street Journal called “a determined man of the left whose goal is to redistribute much larger levels of income across society.” Umm … not so much. This from the AP:

Taxes too high?

Actually, as a share of the nation's economy, Uncle Sam's take this year will be the lowest since 1950, when the Korean War was just getting under way.

And for the third straight year, American families and businesses will pay less in federal taxes than they did under former President George W. Bush, thanks to a weak economy and a growing number of tax breaks for the wealthy and poor alike.

For those of you keeping score at home, federal tax receipts this year are expected to be about 14.8 percent of GDP. By contrast that figure was 17.5 percent in tax cut warrior George W. Bush’s last full year in office. [See editorial cartoons about the economy.]

And as Washington Monthly’s Steve Benen, who flagged this, points out:

Of course, this is only looking at federal taxes, and doesn't reflect state and local taxes, but a USA Today analysis found last year that if we include everything -- federal, state, and local taxes, including income, property, sales, and other taxes -- the percentage of personal income that's paid in taxes is still at its lowest level since 1950.

As Michael Ettlinger, head of economic policy at the Center for American Progress, said at the time, "The idea that taxes are high right now is pretty much nuts."

Keep these statistics in mind when the great budget debate starts in the coming weeks and we start hearing about Obama the deranged tax raiser again.

Under Obama Taxes Reach Lowest Level Since Truman - Robert Schlesinger (usnews.com)

I'm sorry, what were you saying again? That Obama will raise taxes? That the health care law will lead to higher taxes? Let's say it does increase taxes a little. Considering that we're already paying the lowest in taxes since the 50's, would a little tax increase really kill you?
 
I'd like to get back to the original point that I challenged:





I'm sorry, what were you saying again? That Obama will raise taxes? That the health care law will lead to higher taxes? Let's say it does increase taxes a little. Considering that we're already paying the lowest in taxes since the 50's, would a little tax increase really kill you?

Are you really so clueless that you believe what you wrote or just think everyone else is a dope. Personal income taxes are down because PEOPLE ARE NOT WORKING.

On another point that you and the CBO say HR2 would increase the deficit. The bill calls for cutting 500 billion of medicare waste and abuse. Does anyone believe that if Obamacare is repealed we will say that it is OK for fraud to continue? Does anyone believe that you can add 30 million consumers of anything without increasing supply that costs will not rise.

A person would have to have their head totally up their a** to believe the assumptions that get us to the CBO savings.

If the CBO is totally bound by the crappy assumptions given them and their job is just to add it up, get rid of the CBO and hire two clerks!
 
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