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    Re: Rand Paul: End 'welfare' to Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    This thread may be somewhat controversial, but this isn't about abandoning Israel. If they are attacked, we have the capability to turn the nation that does so into a radioactive wasteland. But face it. Israel is a rich nation. Right now, we need the money more than they do. And beyond Israel, I like Paul's notion that we should be giving to America before giving to foreign nations. It's the American thing to do. We need to balance the budget, and as far as I am concerned, EVERYTHING is on the table, including money to nations that frankly don't need it.

    Article is here.
    I think we should end all foreign aid, with the exceptions of countries receiving aid from us for rebuilding from natural disasters or because the populace is starving... although unfortunately, even that foreign aid ends up in some rich despot's bank account and the populace is still starving. Didn't we just learn that Mubarak is the richest man on the damned planet, thanks to USA foreign aid that's now in his Swiss bank accounts?

    We hand out money as if its jelly beans, and demand no accountability as to how its spent and who benefits from it. We just use it like lobbyists use campaign contributions... "Here, we'll give you 'aid' and you will (vote as we wish in the UN, give us access to your natural resources, let us eff over your population to enrich our own corporations)."

    I'm sick of it. No more freaking aid to anyone on the planet unless half their country has been devastated by a natural disaster and we hire top-notch managers to account for how every penny is spent.

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    Re: Rand Paul: End 'welfare' to Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    I'm sick of it. No more freaking aid to anyone on the planet unless half their country has been devastated by a natural disaster and we hire top-notch managers to account for how every penny is spent.
    Now that made me laugh! Since when does accountability come into the picture when it comes to the US spending money anywhere?
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    Re: Rand Paul: End 'welfare' to Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Now that made me laugh! Since when does accountability come into the picture when it comes to the US spending money anywhere?
    I think the general idea was for it to come into the picture.
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    Re: Rand Paul: End 'welfare' to Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    I think the general idea was for it to come into the picture.
    Best to hire someone from outside the US then Maybe some Aussies would work..!
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    Re: Rand Paul: End 'welfare' to Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    And what has happened in the last 4 years since the democrats controlled the house and senate? And the last two?

    nah...its just republicans. FM
    Again...why did Bush not veto the spending increases? Oh no, he PROPOSED most of them!

    It is easy to blame the Dems, but the Dems are NOT the bloody party of supposed fiscal responsibility.. that is the Republican Party. They are the ones touting it, and they are the ones that have run up the debt and deficit the most and were in control of either Congress or the White House or BOTH for the last 30 years .. 30 years where the debt went from under 1 trillion to 14 trillion... where was the fiscal responsibility party those 30 years?
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    Re: Rand Paul: End 'welfare' to Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by Helvidius View Post
    Why stop with Israel? The U.S. supports/funds many dictators throughout the world and then overthrows Saddam Hussein to spread democracy. Our foreign policy seriously needs to change. We can't sustain our current policy.

    As for Paul, at least some in Congress aren't bought and paid for...
    I believe ALL funding to non-democratic countries should be cut off. However, while I wouldn't oppose cutting back on the actually amount of support for Israel, we shouldn't completely cut them off...

    As for democracy, the U.S. is a rank hypocrite in so many instances. Support Kosovo while all but ignoring SADR, Somaliland and Taiwan, the last of which is undeniably a democracy and sending aid to countries like Egypt, the KSA and other dictatorships.... U.S. preaching on democracy should be taken with a grain of salt...
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    Re: Rand Paul: End 'welfare' to Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Exactly, and I see the accusations of being anti-Israel, and isolationist, dishonest as hell. I will state exactly what I believe, so that it cannot be taken out of context again:

    1) Cut ALL foreign aid. This includes Israel, Europe, Africa, and everywhere else. America should aid it's own first. America first. Period.
    Foreign aid is such a small percentage of the budget, this isn't going to help. Again, I agree with cutting aid to non-democratic regimes, but countries that are "friends" of the United States ought to be supported.

    2) The cold war is over. We need to cut our military bases by at least half. There is no excuse to bust the budget, whether by excessive welfare programs for our citizens, or welfare to the military-industrial complex. Let's also include welfare for the banksters in this.
    I would largely agree with pulling back from European bases, but in Asia, there is still a need for a robust American presence. This is still a pretty tense part of the world.

    Budget cuts doesn't mean cut all programs which I don't like, but give the programs I like a pass. It means making hard choices over the whole spectrum, and trimming what we need to trim, in order to get to a point where we are once again fiscally responsible. THIS is what Rand Paul was talking about. We can't give away money that we desperately need ourselves. Did you know that, during the winter storm we just had, Texas ended up receiving foreign aid from Mexico, in the form of electricity? This is totally unacceptable. We need to take care of our own first, before we even begin to think about taking care of other nations. Foreign aid in better times? Sure. But these are not better times. It is time to trim the fat, and look after our own first, and as a voting citizen, this is what I demand from Barack O'Bummer and Joe Bite Me.
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    I agree with the essense of this statement and we should take a serious look at overseas aid and military deployments, but a blanket elimination of them all without careful assessment is shortsighted...
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    Re: Rand Paul: End 'welfare' to Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Again...why did Bush not veto the spending increases? Oh no, he PROPOSED most of them!

    It is easy to blame the Dems, but the Dems are NOT the bloody party of supposed fiscal responsibility.. that is the Republican Party. They are the ones touting it, and they are the ones that have run up the debt and deficit the most and were in control of either Congress or the White House or BOTH for the last 30 years .. 30 years where the debt went from under 1 trillion to 14 trillion... where was the fiscal responsibility party those 30 years?
    You need a civics lesson on how the U.S. government works and spends money......

    Lesson #1: The President can't spend a stinking dime of taxpayer money, only Congress can, and the last time I looked, Dems have controlled the House since 2006 and the Senate since 2008.

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    Re: Rand Paul: End 'welfare' to Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    I think we should end all foreign aid, with the exceptions of countries receiving aid from us for rebuilding from natural disasters or because the populace is starving... although unfortunately, even that foreign aid ends up in some rich despot's bank account and the populace is still starving. Didn't we just learn that Mubarak is the richest man on the damned planet, thanks to USA foreign aid that's now in his Swiss bank accounts?

    We hand out money as if its jelly beans, and demand no accountability as to how its spent and who benefits from it. We just use it like lobbyists use campaign contributions... "Here, we'll give you 'aid' and you will (vote as we wish in the UN, give us access to your natural resources, let us eff over your population to enrich our own corporations)."

    I'm sick of it. No more freaking aid to anyone on the planet unless half their country has been devastated by a natural disaster and we hire top-notch managers to account for how every penny is spent.
    Was it not too long ago that the press called Vladimir Putin the world's richest man? Please I doubt the acuracy of these claims that Mubarak is the world's wealthiest person in the world. Not a chance he is. He may have stolen a lot of money, but I still would not be placing him in any list of the world's wealthiest individuals.

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    Re: Rand Paul: End 'welfare' to Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Again...why did Bush not veto the spending increases? Oh no, he PROPOSED most of them!

    It is easy to blame the Dems, but the Dems are NOT the bloody party of supposed fiscal responsibility.. that is the Republican Party. They are the ones touting it, and they are the ones that have run up the debt and deficit the most and were in control of either Congress or the White House or BOTH for the last 30 years .. 30 years where the debt went from under 1 trillion to 14 trillion... where was the fiscal responsibility party those 30 years?
    You just continually and deliberatley miss **** on purpose...right? No one is blaming just the democrats. Ive said numerous times...Bush and the republicans lack of fiscal oversight is the reason I left the party back in 2003. You however maintain those partisan blinders than ONLY allow you to blame one side. Dont know what it is more...silly, or just plain pathetic.

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