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    Re: Rand Paul: End 'welfare' to Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Correct. Shoot 'em. They are invaders.
    Just as I would expect a prison guard to shoot a prisoner attempting to escape over the walls of a prison.

    Our military are not mall security police and for anyone to think otherwise would be a fool.

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    Re: Rand Paul: End 'welfare' to Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If you look at the article in the OP Rand Paul says all foreign aid. Politco focused on the end aid to Israel in their title to deliberately paint Rand Paul as hating jews.
    This is correct, and there is an even bigger issue that Paul is talking about - Do Republicans have the guts to make the cuts that are necessary to reduce the deficit?
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    Re: Rand Paul: End 'welfare' to Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If we are the ones supplying Israel with money who is really paying for all those things on your list? How many of those things on that list can we do on our own or are really necessary?
    There is plenty we can do on our own. I volunteered time for the JNF for 3 years, calling on members to donate trees and water reservoirs to Israel, and also got involved in the "Walk for Water" campaign they had. There is plenty that can be done in the private sector.
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    Re: Rand Paul: End 'welfare' to Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If we are the ones supplying Israel with money who is really paying for all those things on your list? How many of those things on that list can we do on our own or are really necessary?
    I don't know that we are the only ones. As far as necessary - define "necessary".... Look, talking in all or nothing terms isn't realistic. We're not going to cut off all aid everywhere, just like we won't close all overseas bases everywhere and tell the rest of the world, "Sorry boys, you're all on your own." Two World Wars taught us a few things and without country's watching over this planet with military, diplomatic or economic aid, history repeats itself. So while it would be very nice to turn the foreign policy clock back to 1901, it ain't gonna happen.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Rand Paul: End 'welfare' to Israel

    Things aren't always as simplistic as they seem. US financial aid to Egypt and Pakistan are exemplars, as are the 35,000 US combat troops parked in South Korea.

    Returns on investment are oftentimes subtle. Mainly due to its relationship with the US, Israel does not export sophisticated military technology to nations such as China. This is the status quo understanding. I have to wonder if Mr. Paul considered anything relevant beyond a short-term-feel-good appeal.

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    Re: Rand Paul: End 'welfare' to Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    Just as I would expect a prison guard to shoot a prisoner attempting to escape over the walls of a prison.

    Our military are not mall security police and for anyone to think otherwise would be a fool.
    Of course they are not. They are our troops, and we would use them to secure our borders. Of course, nations stationing troops at their borders, in order to secure it, must be a quaint concept to you. According to you, nations should just pull troops from their own borders, and let whoever wants to cross do so.

    According to you, France does not have a right to defend it's own borders, and surrender with dignity. Oh, the humanity.
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    Re: Rand Paul: End 'welfare' to Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Of course they are not. They are our troops, and we would use them to secure our borders. Of course, nations stationing troops at their borders, in order to secure it, must be a quaint concept to you. According to you, nations should just pull troops from their own borders, and let whoever wants to cross do so.

    According to you, France does not have a right to defend it's own borders, and surrender with dignity. Oh, the humanity.
    Not quite what I was saying. I said just as a prison guard has the right to shoot a prisoner escaping so does a soldier shooting someone invading our country...........

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    Re: Rand Paul: End 'welfare' to Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    Things aren't always as simplistic as they seem. US financial aid to Egypt and Pakistan are exemplars, as are the 35,000 US combat troops parked in South Korea.

    Returns on investment are oftentimes subtle. Mainly due to its relationship with the US, Israel does not export sophisticated military technology to nations such as China. This is the status quo understanding. I have to wonder if Mr. Paul considered anything relevant beyond a short-term-feel-good appeal.
    In better times, I would agree with you. But, at this time, the US must curtail it's spending, and ALL foreign aid should be on the cutting block, as well as most of our bases around the world. The Cold War has been over for many years.
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    Re: Rand Paul: End 'welfare' to Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    Not quite what I was saying. I said just as a prison guard has the right to shoot a prisoner escaping so does a soldier shooting someone invading our country...........
    Ahh, now I get it. The "mall security police" statement led me down a path to an incorrect assumption. Sorry about that. LOL.
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    Re: Rand Paul: End 'welfare' to Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    You are dead wrong. Putting troops on the border is not acting like the police, where the troops would arrest our own citizens. They would be there to SECURE THE BORDER. There is a huge difference.
    Explain to me how exactly you secure the border without being able to act in a law enforcement capacity? If, hypothetically, troops were stationed on the border, what exactly would they do? You can't shoot coyotes and illegals - we haven't declared a war on illegals and they aren't combatants. You can't arrest them, because that is not their job and they have no law enforcement powers. If by "secure the border" you mean securing it against a foreign invading army, it would make sense. But that's not the situation here. We are not at war with Mexico. The border is already secure in the military sense of the word.
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