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    Re: Rand Paul: End 'welfare' to Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    You need a civics lesson on how the U.S. government works and spends money......

    Lesson #1: The President can't spend a stinking dime of taxpayer money, only Congress can, and the last time I looked, Dems have controlled the House since 2006 and the Senate since 2008.
    The president can veto. So if he does not like a bill he can veto it.
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    Re: Rand Paul: End 'welfare' to Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The president can veto. So if he does not like a bill he can veto it.
    Of course he can, but he can't spend a dime himself.

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    Re: Rand Paul: End 'welfare' to Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Rand Paul is one ballsy mother****er. That's all I'll say.
    Not really, just another Rep desperate maneuver. We all know that the thousands of Jew activists and Senate won't go along with it, so he's just joining the rest in another delay tactic. I wonder what kind of trick the Reps will come up with next and how long they can keep it going? They're running out of popular issues...

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    Re: Rand Paul: End 'welfare' to Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    I think we should end all foreign aid, with the exceptions of countries receiving aid from us for rebuilding from natural disasters or because the populace is starving...
    Likely an unpopular view, but if it comes down to extreme foreign aid postures, I would suggest that the foreign aid be dispensed strictly with respect to national interests, not other matters that have no connection to the national interest. Of course, I do not favor extreme positions on foreign aid. I am comfortable with providing emergency assistance for natural disasters/humanitarian catastrophes.

    From a larger budget perspective, I believe all items of the budget should regularly be scrutinized to determine the relative value that they provide, measure outcomes vs. expectations, etc. Value added (current and future) and concrete outcomes should be among the considerations in determining where investments will be made/expanded, expenditures sustained, and other expenditure/investment items reduced or eliminated. Mandatory spending programs, discretionary items, including national defense, and also tax rates/structure all should be examined as part of the overall budget exercise. Needless to say, one should be aware that the function of government is not merely economic/financial. There are social interests/objectives e.g., reduced poverty rate, among the broader range of responsibilities government performs. Tradeoffs, especially in this era of fiscal challenge, are inherent.

    Finally, one cannot pretend that investments (expenditures that result in future value) can't be made in the present fiscal environment. Certain investments are vital.

    Education is one example, even as better outcomes need to be emphasized. If the country falls behind in terms of education, the long-run losses from reduced productivity, innovation, and competitiveness will dwarf the short-term "savings" that might have been realized from paring such investments.

    Energy is another. If the nation does not aggressively pursue investments aimed at broadening its energy supply/increasing conservation--and the bipartisan failure to do so continues despite bold campaign promises--the nation will only have less flexibility as competition for existing resources heats up, instability grips some of the volatile states in which such resources are disproportionately available, energy nationalism increases in some other states, etc. Already, one hears complaints about the rising gas price. In part, the gas price is rising because there are insufficient substitutes in the face of rising global demand for oil. And there are insufficient subsitutes, because the nation has yet to develop, much less pursue a credible energy policy and make meaningful investments aimed at broadening its energy supply. A policy of benign neglect deprives a nation of flexibility/choices to chart its own destiny and leaves nations "prisoners" of developments. Clearly, should prices reach more painful levels, policy makers will argue that the situation is "beyond the control" of the nation and "unavoidable." In reality, the great tragedy will be that those excuses had become reality only because, when the outcome was avoidable or could have been mitigated, the nation deliberately chose to maintain a comfortable policy of benign neglect. To date, the nation has forgotten each energy crisis (1973, 1978-79, 2008) and never made it a priority to reduce vulnerabilities that were exposed.
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    Re: Rand Paul: End 'welfare' to Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Of course he can, but he can't spend a dime himself.
    Because of the fact the president can veto any bill he doesn't like you still can't pen it all the house and senate. When the president signs the bill he is just as guilty as the senators and congressmen who voted yes for the bill.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Rand Paul: End 'welfare' to Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You just continually and deliberatley miss **** on purpose...right? No one is blaming just the democrats. Ive said numerous times...Bush and the republicans lack of fiscal oversight is the reason I left the party back in 2003. You however maintain those partisan blinders than ONLY allow you to blame one side. Dont know what it is more...silly, or just plain pathetic.
    Amen, brother. It is one of the TWO primary reasons I left the party at about the same time, as well... I once ran for office as a Republican, so I was not only a voter, but was an activist in the party and a delegate to several state conventions. I left due to my disastifaction in the party over this and the Revival Tent nature of the party.
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    Re: Rand Paul: End 'welfare' to Israel

    Granted Rand and Ron are still the sole voices of ending this forum of theft. The DC seems to be in support of the move somewhat.

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