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    Re: Federal judge holds Obama administration in contempt over drilling “permitorium”

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    It probably would, but I'm to learn that not only do you not know the law you claim is being enforced here but you also don't even know where to find it, yet you still are convinced his ruling is grounded in law. I'm curious about how you think you have the basis for that opinion, assuming its not grounded in political views which would make you a hypocrite.
    Well, I remember the ruling when it came down but no, I don't care to go looking for it now. Now it's obvious to everyone that Obama's admin didn't respect the ruling so, well, here we are.
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    Re: Federal judge holds Obama administration in contempt over drilling “permitorium”

    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    I guess. Unless the judge said the permits had to be back by a certain time, there really isn't anything wrong here. It is just the judge being pissed.
    They do get that way when you don't honor their rulings.
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    Re: Federal judge holds Obama administration in contempt over drilling “permitorium”

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    It probably would, but I'm to learn that not only do you not know the law you claim is being enforced here but you also don't even know where to find it, yet you still are convinced his ruling is grounded in law. I'm curious about how you think you have the basis for that opinion, assuming its not grounded in political views which would make you a hypocrite.
    if you don't think it's grounded in law, why not prove it?

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    Re: Federal judge holds Obama administration in contempt over drilling “permitorium”

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    if you don't think it's grounded in law, why not prove it?
    Sorry its the maker of a statement's responsibility to prove it, not the receiver to prove it false. No one has the right or should have the expectations for their statements to be taken as truth without any sort of backing. If a person wishes to make an argument they are responsible to back it up.

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    Re: Federal judge holds Obama administration in contempt over drilling “permitorium”

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    They do get that way when you don't honor their rulings.
    Again though you said it was based in law. What law is the judge using here?

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    Re: Federal judge holds Obama administration in contempt over drilling “permitorium”

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Sorry its the maker of a statement's responsibility to prove it, not the receiver to prove it false. No one has the right or should have the expectations for their statements to be taken as truth without any sort of backing. If a person wishes to make an argument they are responsible to back it up.
    In other words, you got nothing.
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    Re: Federal judge holds Obama administration in contempt over drilling “permitorium”

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    In other words, you got nothing.
    You were the one who said it was based in law. It is your job to show the law.

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    Re: Federal judge holds Obama administration in contempt over drilling “permitorium”

    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    Again though you said it was based in law. What law is the judge using here?
    The initial ruling was grounded in the law. The contempt is for not honoring the ruling. There's nothing new or nefarious going on here. That's the way the system works.
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    Re: Federal judge holds Obama administration in contempt over drilling “permitorium”

    Here's a link to the ruling where the judge prohibited the government from enforcing the ban...
    Text of ruling blocking Obama's 6 month deepwater drilling moratorium in the Gulf

    Just sifting through it, I see this...
    The Court cannot substitute its judgment for that of the agency, but the agency must “cogently explain why it has exercised its discretion in a given manner.” State Farm, 463 U.S. at 48. It has not done so.
    and this...
    On the record now before the Court, the defendants have failed to cogently reflect the decision to issue a blanket, generic, indeed punitive, moratorium with the facts developed during the thirty-day review. The plaintiffs have established a likelihood of successfully showing that the Administration acted arbitrarily and capriciously in issuing the moratorium.
    and this...

    The plaintiffs assert that they have suffered and will continue to suffer irreparable harm as a result of the moratorium. The Court agrees. Some of the plaintiffs’ contracts have been affected; the Court is persuaded that it is only a matter of time before more business and jobs and livelihoods will be lost. The defendants trivialize such losses by characterizing them as merely a small percentage of the drilling rigs affected, but it does not follow that this will somehow reduce the convincing harm suffered. Furthermore, courts have held that in making the determination of irreparable harm, “both harm to the parties and to the public may be considered.” In re Nw. Airlines Corp., 349 B.R. 338, 384 (S.D.N.Y. 2006) (quoting Long Island R.R. v. Int’l Ass’n of Machinists, 874 F.3d 901, 910 (2nd Cir. 1989)). The effect on employment, jobs, loss of domestic energy supplies caused by the moratorium as the plaintiffs (and other suppliers, and the rigs themselves) lose business, and the movement of the rigs to other sites around the world will clearly ripple throughout the economy in this region
    seems fairly well grounded in law to me.
    Last edited by Whovian; 02-03-11 at 09:52 PM.

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    Re: Federal judge holds Obama administration in contempt over drilling “permitorium”

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    In other words, you got nothing.
    No I don't, I'm not familar with the judge's reasoning in this case. However I'm not making an opinion on the matter one way or another, and I haven't done so in this topic. Now if you want to play by a set of rules which do not require the maker of a statement to actually back it up with proof or at least evidence, then solely for the sake of arguement I'm just going to state that the Federal government is well within their rights to not issue drilling permits and is in complience with the judge's ruling.

    The Federal government is well within their rights to not issue drilling permits and is in complience with the judge's ruling.

    Now that I've done that, prove me wrong. Or again are you a hypocrite?

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