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    Re: John boehner sex probe

    Quote Originally Posted by Zaserac View Post
    The name calling certainly must have made you feel better.
    what name calling?

    Meanwhile, I was not rebutting your comment. I was responding to the conversation.
    you were contradicting my statements with flat out falsehoods. I simply responded that you should check your facts because you were very far form being accurate. Instead of doing so, you continued to make false claims.

    Unless, of course, you can find SOME way to make the claims found in posts 133, 135, and 137 factual.



    Which I did not realize had already gotten pissy. My bad. I can see how pointing out the fact that it was all to do with Jones case and using the phrase "stems from" blew the pressure corker for you. Good day.
    I get irritated when I see people argue form a position of ignorance and then pretend that they weren't after getting called on it.

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    Re: John boehner sex probe

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Precisely what I said...your arguments are sad and you are just...well...boring...
    If you think I'm boring, so be it. I'd rather be boring than intellectually dishonest and cowardly.

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    Re: John boehner sex probe

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    If you think I'm boring, so be it. I'd rather be boring than intellectually dishonest and cowardly.
    Tell me...is it TRULY not possible for something to be OBVIOUS to me, but be perceived differently by someone such as yourself? Do you really want to pretend that your perspective is not slanted by bias? FM

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    Re: John boehner sex probe

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Tell me...is it TRULY not possible for something to be OBVIOUS to me, but be perceived differently by someone such as yourself? Do you really want to pretend that your perspective is not slanted by bias? FM
    My perspective is certainly slanted by bias on a great many issues. But that certianly has no bearing on the FACT that you did not claim that it was obvious to you. You said "his actions OBVIOUSLY were intended to obstruct justice in the Paula Jones case why do you suppose no democrats voted to support the charges?"

    That claim was intended to discount all possibility that others could perceive things differently. You were attempting to claim that the only reason democrats could have chosen to NOT vote to support those charges would be bias on thier part. You ignore the possibility that the only reason the charges seemed obviously correct yto you could be bias on your part.

    When I challenged you to support that claim (very politely, I might add) you chose instead to tell me to "speak with an attorney" which implies that I am the person who is ignorant of the law in this regard (again, ignoring the possibility that you are ignorant of the law). I continued to challenge you to support your claim and you failed to do so in a way that would state how it is OBVIOUS that his intent was to obstruct justice.

    Then, to make matters worse, after admitting that what you were calling obvious was actually pure conjecture on your part, you then decided to say "Obvious to anyone that doesnt have a vested interest in making sure that under no circumstances you can possibly find that repulsive scumbag guilty of anything."

    Again, you are trying to discredit anyone who disagrees with your opinion.

    It's entirely possible that you might think of something as obvious while others don't, but once you start trying to pretend your opinion is objectively "obvious" and those who disagree with it only do so because they are biased, you have stepped into the realm of partisan hackery.

    And, going back to the conservative idea of personal responsibility, this whole "boring" discussion could have been avoided very easily had you actually answered my initial question instead of avoiding that by telling me to talk to a lawyer.

    That type of **** is guaranteed to get me out in my full boring glory.

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    Re: John boehner sex probe

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    My perspective is certainly slanted by bias on a great many issues. But that certianly has no bearing on the FACT that you did not claim that it was obvious to you. You said "his actions OBVIOUSLY were intended to obstruct justice in the Paula Jones case why do you suppose no democrats voted to support the charges?"

    That claim was intended to discount all possibility that others could perceive things differently. You were attempting to claim that the only reason democrats could have chosen to NOT vote to support those charges would be bias on thier part. You ignore the possibility that the only reason the charges seemed obviously correct yto you could be bias on your part.

    When I challenged you to support that claim (very politely, I might add) you chose instead to tell me to "speak with an attorney" which implies that I am the person who is ignorant of the law in this regard (again, ignoring the possibility that you are ignorant of the law). I continued to challenge you to support your claim and you failed to do so in a way that would state how it is OBVIOUS that his intent was to obstruct justice.

    Then, to make matters worse, after admitting that what you were calling obvious was actually pure conjecture on your part, you then decided to say "Obvious to anyone that doesnt have a vested interest in making sure that under no circumstances you can possibly find that repulsive scumbag guilty of anything."

    Again, you are trying to discredit anyone who disagrees with your opinion.

    It's entirely possible that you might think of something as obvious while others don't, but once you start trying to pretend your opinion is objectively "obvious" and those who disagree with it only do so because they are biased, you have stepped into the realm of partisan hackery.

    And, going back to the conservative idea of personal responsibility, this whole "boring" discussion could have been avoided very easily had you actually answered my initial question instead of avoiding that by telling me to talk to a lawyer.

    That type of **** is guaranteed to get me out in my full boring glory.
    Obvious. To me. Based on my perspective. Obvious. To you. Based on your perspective.

    oh...it brings out something in you OK...

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    Re: John boehner sex probe

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Obvious. To me. Based on my perspective.
    If you had actually portrayed it as such from the start, instead of trying to imply that those who disagreed with your assesment were biased, we wouldn't be having this discussion right now.

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    Re: John boehner sex probe

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    If you had actually portrayed it as such from the start, instead of trying to imply that those who disagreed with your assesment were biased, we wouldn't be having this discussion right now.
    OBVIOUSLY. He lied under oath in what was OBVIOUSLY a clear attempt to avoid being caught and made to look more guilty in the sexual harrassment trial he was involved in. He wasnt avoiding being caught by his wife...there is clear evidence she has not about his multiple affairs. There is clear eveidence that people knew about them prior to the 92 elections and no one cared. He lied for a reason. That reason is OBVIOUS. to ME. I have no doubt in your zeal to disprove his reasoning that you dont see it the same way I do.

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    Re: John boehner sex probe

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    OBVIOUSLY. He lied under oath in what was OBVIOUSLY a clear attempt to avoid being caught and made to look more guilty in the sexual harrassment trial he was involved in. He wasnt avoiding being caught by his wife...there is clear evidence she has not about his multiple affairs. There is clear eveidence that people knew about them prior to the 92 elections and no one cared. He lied for a reason. That reason is OBVIOUS. to ME. I have no doubt in your zeal to disprove his reasoning that you dont see it the same way I do.
    You are either confusing the word "obviously" with the term "in my opinion" or you are purposefully trying to paint your opinion as undeniable fact.

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    Re: John boehner sex probe

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    You are either confusing the word "obviously" with the term "in my opinion" or you are purposefully trying to paint your opinion as undeniable fact.
    You OBVIOUSLY disagree with me...correct? You The term OBVIOUS is subjective. I THINK you understand that. Do you need to look up a definition for the word?

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    Re: John boehner sex probe

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You OBVIOUSLY disagree with me...correct?
    That is an objective assesment of what has occured. There is no debate about the fac tthat we are in a disagreement. Claiming it is obvious we are disagreeing is not a subjective assesment at all because nobody would be able to argue otherwise.

    The term OBVIOUS is subjective.
    It isn't subjective at all. Obvious is objective. Teh example you just provided has nothing to do with subjectivity. the disagreement is obvious because all who can observe us would agree that we are in a disagrement. ALL who observe.

    Do you need to look up a definition for the word?
    How 'bout you look it up, because I don't think you know what it means if you think it is subjective.

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