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    Re: John boehner sex probe

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    So you were LYING before when you said it was obvious that he intended to obstruct justice.
    Obvious to anyone that doesnt have a vested interest in making sure that under no circumstances you can possibly find that repulsive scumbag guilty of anything. But to you...not obvious.

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    Re: John boehner sex probe

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Obvious to anyone that doesnt have a vested interest in making sure that under no circumstances you can possibly find that repulsive scumbag guilty of anything. But to you...not obvious.
    No, it's obvious to anyone who has a vested interest in making sure that scumbag is absolutely guilty of anything he was charged with.

    I, however, think it's obvious he committed perjury. I also think it's asinine to say that his perjury was actually an obstruction of justice when justice was not at all obstructed by his lies.

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    Re: John boehner sex probe

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    No, it's obvious to anyone who has a vested interest in making sure that scumbag is absolutely guilty of anything he was charged with.

    I, however, think it's obvious he committed perjury. I also think it's asinine to say that his perjury was actually an obstruction of justice when justice was not at all obstructed by his lies.
    The scumbag WAS guilty. Thats the problem you dont like to admit. And whats obvious to some isnt obviously obvious to others. Me...I tend to look at someone lying while under oath as trying to avoid disclosure for motive...hence...obstruction. But thats just me. On the plus side...its nice to see Haymarket is back in town.

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    Re: John boehner sex probe

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    The scumbag WAS guilty
    You keep saying he was guilty. That's your opinion, so support it.

    How was justice obstructed by his lies? How did his lies obstruct the Jones case? (hint: the case would have had the same exact result even if Clinton had told the truth)

    And whats obvious to some isnt obviously obvious to others.
    just because something seems obvious to you doesn't mean you have it right. You are perfectly capable of being wrong.

    Me...I tend to look at someone lying while under oath as trying to avoid disclosure for motive ...hence...obstruction.
    Uh, the motive for sexual harassment is pretty cut and dry. No need for questioning.

    But thats just me.
    See, now you contradict yourself. You are admitting that this is just your opinion, even though previously tyou try to portray it as solid fact. That's lying.

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    Re: John boehner sex probe

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    You keep saying he was guilty. That's your opinion, so support it.

    How was justice obstructed by his lies? How did his lies obstruct the Jones case? (hint: the case would have had the same exact result even if Clinton had told the truth)



    just because something seems obvious to you doesn't mean you have it right. You are perfectly capable of being wrong.



    Uh, the motive for sexual harassment is pretty cut and dry. No need for questioning.



    See, now you contradict yourself. You are admitting that this is just your opinion, even though previously tyou try to portray it as solid fact. That's lying.
    He lied under oath while being questioned in a lawsuit alleging that he sexually harrassed a campaign staffer by playing with his junk with a towel over it, then when she walked into the room as requested, he stood up, dropped towel, and asked said campaign staffer to 'kiss it'. While being questioned under oath he denied having sexual relations with a White House intern. Facts support he lied under oath, for cause.

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    Re: John boehner sex probe

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    He lied under oath while being questioned in a lawsuit alleging that he sexually harrassed a campaign staffer by playing with his junk with a towel over it, then when she walked into the room as requested, he stood up, dropped towel, and asked said campaign staffer to 'kiss it'. While being questioned under oath he denied having sexual relations with a White House intern. Facts support he lied under oath, for cause.
    Facts support he lied under oath. That's why I say it's obvious he commited perjury.

    Facts also state that he lied for a cause. Very few people lie for no reason.

    What the facts don't show is that he lied for the prupose of obstructing justice. There are other possible reasons for him lying, not the least of them being that he was a married man.

    The facts also show that the questioning did not have any legitimate point with regard to proving Jones' case that he sexually harassed her. Regardless of how he answered, the questions were not about what he did during the alleged incident. They were about a completely unrelated incident of consensual sex with someone else entirely. They were an attempt at character assassination.

    One must look at this case as one looks at ALL criminal cases. Innocent until proven guilty.

    It's pretty obvious that he was proven to be guilty of perjury.

    He was not proven to be guilty of obstruction of justice because there was no evidence which was presented which proved that he lied in order to obstruct justice.

    The idea that he was guilty of this crime is merely an opinion, and it is one that is not supported by facts. It is entirely based on conjecture.
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    Re: John boehner sex probe

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Facts support he lied under oath. That's why I say it's obvious he commited perjury.

    Facts also state that he lied for a cause. Very few people lie for no reason.

    What the facts don't show is that he lied for the prupose of obstructing justice. There are other possible reasons for him lying, not the least of them being that he was a married man.

    The facts also show that the questioning did not have any legitimate point with regard to proving Jones' case that he sexualy harrased her. REgardless of how he answered, teh questions were not about what he did during the alleged incident. they were about a completely unrelated incident of consensual sex with someone else entirely.

    One must look at the case as one looks at ALL criminal cases. Innocent until proven guilty. He was proven to be guilty of perjury. He was not proven tot be guilty of obstruction of justice. That is merely your opinion, and it is one that is not supported by facts. It is entirely based on conjecture.
    The facts regarding his reputation as a married man are that he was known to have had multiple affairs. He carried on a 12 year affair with Jennifer Flowers, with previously released taped recordings. You stick to whats obvious to you.

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    Re: John boehner sex probe

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    The facts regarding his reputation as a married man are that he was known to have had multiple affairs. He carried on a 12 year affair with Jennifer Flowers, with previously released taped recordings.
    And none of that does anything to prove that he harrassed Jones. None of it.

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    Re: John boehner sex probe

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    And none of that does anything to prove that he harrassed Jones. None of it.
    Nope...you'd have to go to his decision to settle out of court. AFTER the trial had already caused his **** to be dragged into public.

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    Re: John boehner sex probe

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Nope...you'd have to go to his decision to settle out of court. AFTER the trial had already caused his **** to be dragged into public.
    Proving that the perjury did not obstruct justice with Jones.

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