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Exclusive: Rumsfeld unloads

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Long-awaited, from-the-hip memoir offers raw, unvarnished look at eight decades of history

"If you are not criticized, you may not be doing much."

So declares former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld in his news book 'KNOWN AND UNKNOWN'.

Now only the DRUDGE REPORT can reveal:

# Rumsfeld warned in 2001 of Afghan “swamp” and “not to make a career out of transforming Afghanistan;” parts ways with neocons on use of military to spread democracy around the world
# Lashes out at Clinton, Kerry, Biden for flip-flops on Iraq: “You wouldn’t want to be in a foxhole with them.”
# Disputes Powell’s claim that he was “duped” by administration on Iraq WMD, says Powell was no Bush administration “maverick”
# Bashes CNN for concealing Saddam's crimes against humanity prior to start of war
# Document: Rumsfeld pressed for more troops in Tora Bora to get bin Laden in 2001
# Says biggest regret not insisting on resigning after Abu Ghraib
# Says McCain had “hair-trigger temper” and “a propensity to shift his positions to appeal to the media”
# Shares his side of a decades long feud with Bush 41
# Aide tells Rumsfeld on 9/11: “You’re a son of a bitch.” Lives to tell the tale

# Describes surprising encounter with Elvis in The King’s Las Vegas dressing room
# Recounts weird meetings with a confused President-elect Jimmy Carter
# Kissinger during last days of Watergate: “Rummy, we don’t even argue with Nixon anymore”

DRUDGE: RUMSFELD UNLOADS
Amazon.com: Known and Unknown: A Memoir (9781595230676): Donald Rumsfeld: Books

Great man Rummy, and his bit about not wanting to be in the same foxhole as Clinton, Kerry, Biden is a kind way of saying they're treasonous, politically motivated back stabbers. How the left voted to send troops for political expediency, and then when things got tough... turned on them for political expediency is one of the lowest, if not the lowest act by a group of politicians in American History. It is the apex of disgusting behavior... and for what? To try and bring down a then popular president.

Just how do you aid and abed an enemy? Ask the Democrats. They've done it twice... they and their journOlists are experts in this sickening dept.

That CNN was Saddam's propagandist is one of the great unknown stories to the public. These vile bastards should have an Obama style poster of Saddam as their logo, and rotating secondary icons of people hanging, being raped, thrown from buildings, for this is what they propped up in the name of access.

Should prove an interesting read, especially for the Leftists here and abroad.

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what are the chances he apologize for aspartame? *snicker
 
what are the chances he apologize for aspartame? *snicker

Why? It's legal?
Or am I missing somthing?

He did a great job at Searle... turning around a floundering company.

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I'd be interested in reading Rumsfeld's view. I won't look at it as the gospel, but looking at another's perspective can be interesting.
 
I've got mixed feelings on Rumsfeld but I do believe he's a man of serious conviction, which I can respect even if I don't always agree. I also loved this quote from him ""As you know, you go to war with the Army you have. They're not the Army you might want or wish to have at a later time." But he should be more acknowledging of mistakes that were made under his leadership during the early years in Iraq.
 
I've got mixed feelings on Rumsfeld but I do believe he's a man of serious conviction, which I can respect even if I don't always agree. I also loved this quote from him ""As you know, you go to war with the Army you have. They're not the Army you might want or wish to have at a later time." But he should be more acknowledging of mistakes that were made under his leadership during the early years in Iraq.

What mistakes? Just curious as to what folks think were his mistakes?

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What mistakes? Just curious as to what folks think were his mistakes?

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The is likely a list. We oversaw a war he wasn't prepared for to start with. His comment about going to war with the amry you have highlights this. He had time to plan. He was asked right after 9/11 to formulate a plan with Iraq. He shoudl have been prepared. He should have argued against going in. Listened more to Powell and less to Cheney. These are just off the top of my head.
 
Oh no... a Bush administration official bashing Powell, the media, Democrats and everyone else who spoke out against them? Well color me shocked.
 
Oh no... a Bush administration official bashing Powell, the media, Democrats and everyone else who spoke out against them? Well color me shocked.

Half of the reason for a memoir in the first place.

Here's one for liberals to eat:

Rumsfeld warned in 2001 of Afghan “swamp” and “not to make a career out of transforming Afghanistan;” parts ways with neocons on use of military to spread democracy around the world

See, I was not shocked with this, because there was conversation around as it was happening...but that didn't stop liberals from missing those differences.
 
The is likely a list. We oversaw a war he wasn't prepared for to start with. His comment about going to war with the amry you have highlights this. He had time to plan. He was asked right after 9/11 to formulate a plan with Iraq. He shoudl have been prepared. He should have argued against going in. Listened more to Powell and less to Cheney. These are just off the top of my head.

We forgot how to fight a war after World War II.
 
We forgot how to fight a war after World War II.

No. There hasn't been a war like WWII since. Wars changed and we were slow to change. We keep fighting the last war instead of the one before us.
 
The is likely a list. We oversaw a war he wasn't prepared for to start with. His comment about going to war with the amry you have highlights this. He had time to plan. He was asked right after 9/11 to formulate a plan with Iraq. He shoudl have been prepared. He should have argued against going in. Listened more to Powell and less to Cheney. These are just off the top of my head.

See this is the bull**** kookaid talking. He specifically says that Powell raised no objections whatsoever about Iraq. So your case is empty, you've got nothing but thin air. And the bit about going in with the army you have, is referring to the previous administration that gutted the military because they thought terrorism was a policing issue. "He shoudl have been prepared." <<<<< This is bull****, as I stated. Should he have known we were going to war, or should have been able to spend a $trillion prior to 9/11 so our military would be at its prime? Monday morning quarterbacking and wrong assumptions is the real problem with Rummiebashers.
 
No. There hasn't been a war like WWII since. Wars changed and we were slow to change. We keep fighting the last war instead of the one before us.

We started fighting wars "humanely", which is used against us by the opposition, which doesn't give a crap.

When you fight a war, you bomb the crap out of everything in sight and kill tons of people. You use the same reasoning as when we hit Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Then, you win. We don't do that anymore, which is why we don't win anymore.
 
You know it would have been interesting to see how the libs would have acted, had Bush requested a more official sounding Declaration of War like FDR got. And then when Bush would have told GM, Ford and Chrysler, you people are not making tanks.....then then taken the federal budget and spent 80% on the military like FDR did when he got caught flat-footed at Pearl Harbor. If Bush would have done all that the liberal would have taken to the streets then, when their left-wing budgets would have been gutted for the War on Terror. You still want to badmouth Bush?
 
We started fighting wars "humanely", which is used against us by the opposition, which doesn't give a crap.

When you fight a war, you bomb the crap out of everything in sight and kill tons of people. You use the same reasoning as when we hit Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Then, you win. We don't do that anymore, which is why we don't win anymore.

Bull****

You bombed the living hell of everything in Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos and you didn't win there.

Take that argument and shove it up your ass.

You win nothing by killing the innocent.
 
Bull****

You bombed the living hell of everything in Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos and you didn't win there.

Take that argument and shove it up your ass.

You win nothing by killing the innocent.

We took a hill, then we retreated. Then we took it again, then we retreated. We fought Vietnam without any clear objective of what it was we wanted to achieve. We had a 150 decision makers worried more about elections and public opinions than the soldiers that were stuck in limbo halfway around the world.

What I described in the earlier post is the way wars have ALWAYS been won. You can choose to hate it - I hate it, too - but that's just the way it is.

Killing the innocent is unavoidable. Not as much as it used to be, but still completely unavoidable, unless you really aren't committed to winning the war.
 
We started fighting wars "humanely", which is used against us by the opposition, which doesn't give a crap.

When you fight a war, you bomb the crap out of everything in sight and kill tons of people. You use the same reasoning as when we hit Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Then, you win. We don't do that anymore, which is why we don't win anymore.

Allow me to repeat: BULL ****!!!!

Any historical reading of vietnam shows we drop a ton of ordinace. We killed a lot of people. There was little humane about it. And it was useless. We had not adapted to a new type of warfare.
 
Allow me to repeat: BULL ****!!!!

Any historical reading of vietnam shows we drop a ton of ordinace. We killed a lot of people. There was little humane about it. And it was useless. We had not adapted to a new type of warfare.

It amazes me when people can even try and compare World War 2 to wars like Vietnam, Iraq or Afghanistan...

"Well we won that one"

Yeah well it was a completely different kind of war. Conventional vs. Unconventional I.E. Geurilla/Insurgency vs. Tank battles in the fields of normandy against an opponent that was equal.
 
Allow me to repeat: BULL ****!!!!

Any historical reading of vietnam shows we drop a ton of ordinace. We killed a lot of people. There was little humane about it. And it was useless. We had not adapted to a new type of warfare.

And the most inhumane thing we did was leave, knowing full well the slaughter that would result in Cambodia as a result.

Dropping ordinance is useless when there's no war plan in place.
 
It amazes me when people can even try and compare World War 2 to wars like Vietnam, Iraq or Afghanistan...

"Well we won that one"

Yeah well it was a completely different kind of war. Conventional vs. Unconventional I.E. Geurilla/Insurgency vs. Tank battles in the fields of normandy against an opponent that was equal.

You can't fight a war with a goal like...."We must stop the spread of Communism."

Yeah, okay, how? You go defeat the country you're at war with, that's how. You don't show up, drop a bunch of napalm bombs and then sit there and wait, and then leave because of demonstrations at Kent State back home. If that's all you've got, then you stay home in the first place.

We left, and the real ugly stuff began. The Killing Fields.
 
We left, and the real ugly stuff began. The Killing Fields.

HAHAHA first of all, you never went to War with Cambodia officially, you were trying to destroy the outer reaches of the Ho Chi Minh Trail.

Secondly I will remind you that America actually supported the Khmer Rouge at certain points and made sure that for a long time, they retained the official Cambodian seat at the United Nations after the Vietnamese invasion of Cambodia.

You need to learn your history my friend.
 
HAHAHA first of all, you never went to War with Cambodia officially, you were trying to destroy the outer reaches of the Ho Chi Minh Trail.

Secondly I will remind you that America actually supported the Khmer Rouge at certain points and made sure that for a long time, they retained the official Cambodian seat at the United Nations after the Vietnamese invasion of Cambodia.

You need to learn your history my friend.

And Libya was named Head of the UN Security Council. Stop blaming the U.S. for supporting every rogue leader in the world. Canada and the rest of you do, too. The world is what it is.

Save the history lesson nonsense. Ask yourself this....what would have happened had the United States just left Vietnam alone? How many Vietnamese would have been killed? Less? More? The same? Why is the United States so awful for trying to help some people in south Vietnam?
 
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