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    Re: Exclusive: Rumsfeld unloads

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    Arab terrorism is more like retaliation, not as a strategy, because it's always a one man Sunni suicide attack on Shiite gatherings, rarely our soldiers. 90 pct of our casualties were from road bombs and accidents.

    You're right about not being able to defeat them or even find them because they're already gone, real gone... Kaboom!!

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    Dude this isn't at all what I was talking about. I'm talking about terrorism in regards to the ill-named "War on Terror."

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    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    What I'm saying that in such a case, what would be the definition of "winning?" Like, what would the end game have been in Vietnam? And even if we did "win," would it have been worth it? We dropped more ordnance in Vietnam than all of World War II. You can't really bomb an enemy into submission when his will is indestructible, which is shown by the fact that the NVA kept on fighting even after sustaining inordinate casualty rates. In the end, everything we did in Vietnam was pretty much just bad policy, beginning with the decision to become militarily involved there.



    Perhaps. But the Cold War wasn't won with military force (more like Communism killed itself), and we'll never defeat "terrorism." Terrorism is a strategy, it is a means to an end. You can't really "defeat" something like terrorism.
    "Terrorism", can be defeated, by simply taking away the terrorist's will to wage terrorism. It ain't rocket sience. The basic principles of warfare have been the same for a few thousand years, now. They haven't changed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What democratic people expect out of a war is brevity. The only whiners over civilian casualties are the, "we souldn't be there", Libbos. They believe that the quicker we can lose a war, the sooner it will be over. the only problem, is that they couldn't be more wrong.
    This isn't even the problem. The root of the problem is that some wars are just dumb ideas. We should be worrying more about whether or not we fight the right wars and our leaders forming intelligent foreign policy.

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    Re: Exclusive: Rumsfeld unloads

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    "Terrorism", can be defeated, by simply taking away the terrorist's will to wage terrorism. It ain't rocket sience. The basic principles of warfare have been the same for a few thousand years, now. They haven't changed.
    A person who will blow himself up has a different mindset than one who is fighting to stay alive. But, share with us how you would do this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    This isn't even the problem. The root of the problem is that some wars are just dumb ideas. We should be worrying more about whether or not we fight the right wars and our leaders forming intelligent foreign policy.
    Exactly. Dumb is dumb.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Exclusive: Rumsfeld unloads

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    "Terrorism", can be defeated, by simply taking away the terrorist's will to wage terrorism. It ain't rocket sience. The basic principles of warfare have been the same for a few thousand years, now. They haven't changed.
    There will always be people willing to wage violence against the United States. It's just what comes with the territory when ur the biggest boy on the block, whether we deserve it or not. As long as we're the hegemonic superpower some freak out there is going to want to bomb the crap out of us. You make it sound like taking away a terrorist's will is easy. Ideologically motivated individuals aren't easily stopped.

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    Re: Exclusive: Rumsfeld unloads

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    A person who will blow himself up has a different mindset than one who is fighting to stay alive. But, share with us how you would do this.
    The same way we defeated the Japanese. They were the cats that were willing to fly airplanes into American ships.
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    Re: Exclusive: Rumsfeld unloads

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The same way we defeated the Japanese. They were the cats that were willing to fly airplanes into American ships.
    There's a major and important difference. Japan was a country, that could surrender and stop, and had a leader who could surrender. This foe flys no flag, belongs to no country. I'm afraid you can't treat them like Japan, and I think this has been the flaw in most our thinking as a country to date.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Exclusive: Rumsfeld unloads

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    There's a major and important difference. Japan was a country, that could surrender and stop, and had a leader who could surrender. This foe flys no flag, belongs to no country. I'm afraid you can't treat them like Japan, and I think this has been the flaw in most our thinking as a country to date.
    Precisely. Japanese troops were indoctrinated to serve the state. We could defeat them militarily because they were tools of the Japanese state. Terrorist organizations today are non-state actors, makes a HUGE difference.

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    Re: Exclusive: Rumsfeld unloads

    Any one who claims that politicians had less input in WW2 than Vietnam should never speak of history again. Lordy lordy lordy. Hell, just for one example, why do you think we focused on Europe before Japan?
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