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    Re: Exclusive: Rumsfeld unloads

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    We started fighting wars "humanely", which is used against us by the opposition, which doesn't give a crap.

    When you fight a war, you bomb the crap out of everything in sight and kill tons of people. You use the same reasoning as when we hit Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Then, you win. We don't do that anymore, which is why we don't win anymore.
    Amnesia is setting in, don't you remember Shock and awe?


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    Re: Exclusive: Rumsfeld unloads

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    From a military perspective, we won.
    Well i be damned we learn something new every day

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    Re: Exclusive: Rumsfeld unloads

    Tactical victories don't mean jack when you don't produce a positive political/strategic outcome.

    Colonel Harry G. Summers to an NVA counterpart: "You know, you never beat us on the battlefield."
    Colonel Tu: "That may be so, but it is also irrelevant."

    Or to use a sports analogy, a sports team can have the sexiest win-loss record during the regular season. But if they don't produce a championship, it doesn't mean anything.

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    Re: Exclusive: Rumsfeld unloads

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Amnesia is setting in, don't you remember Shock and awe?
    What happened in Iraq was, "freaky-deaky"

    This, is shock and awe.

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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Exclusive: Rumsfeld unloads

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    The only answer is to kill everyone if they hate you all.

    Are you prepared to have that on your conciense?
    If they are hell bent on killing my countrymen, you bet your ass my concience is ready.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
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    Re: Exclusive: Rumsfeld unloads

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    "War is merely the continuation of politics by other means.” - Carl von Clausewitz.

    Whether we like it or not, warfare will always be an integral part of politics and policy. That is just the God's-honest truth. As for Rumsfeld, one of the worst SecDefs of all time. Most of the reviews I've read about the book seem to paint a picture of him just trying to place blame on others.

    "War is an expression of diplomacy by other means"

    If you get the quote right, you won't misinterpret it's meaning so badly.

    War can't be fought from the political arena. Vietnam proved that.

    Operation Market Garden was a politically motivated. Look how that turned out.
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    Re: Exclusive: Rumsfeld unloads

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    "War is an expression of diplomacy by other means"

    If you get the quote right, you won't misinterpret it's meaning so badly.

    War can't be fought from the political arena. Vietnam proved that.

    Operation Market Garden was a politically motivated. Look how that turned out.
    Most versions i've seen say "continuation" or "extension." And it's not about whether or not war SHOULD be fought from a political arena. It's that they ARE fought from a political arena, and that that is a fact of life whether we like it or not because the ultimate objectives of war are always political in nature. All Vietnam proved was that there are just some wars that aren't good ideas.
    Last edited by StillBallin75; 02-09-11 at 06:04 PM.

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    Re: Exclusive: Rumsfeld unloads

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If they are hell bent on killing my countrymen, you bet your ass my concience is ready.
    They weren't here. We were there. This is an important point.

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    Re: Exclusive: Rumsfeld unloads

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Most versions i've seen say "continuation" or "extension."

    They're wrong, just like, "politics", is wrong.


    And it's not about whether or not war SHOULD be fought from a political arena. It's that they ARE fought from a political arena, and that that is a fact of life whether we like it or not because the ultimate objectives of war are always political in nature. All Vietnam proved was that there are just some wars that aren't good ideas.
    Vietnam was the first war that the United States fought, where political decision took priority over tactical decisions. That's not a winning combination.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Exclusive: Rumsfeld unloads

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    They weren't here. We were there. This is an important point.
    It's irrelevant. My point is, you fight wars to win, you don't fight wars not to lose.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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