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    Re: Exclusive: Rumsfeld unloads

    Oh no... a Bush administration official bashing Powell, the media, Democrats and everyone else who spoke out against them? Well color me shocked.
    Half of the reason for a memoir in the first place.

    Here's one for liberals to eat:

    Rumsfeld warned in 2001 of Afghan “swamp” and “not to make a career out of transforming Afghanistan;” parts ways with neocons on use of military to spread democracy around the world
    See, I was not shocked with this, because there was conversation around as it was happening...but that didn't stop liberals from missing those differences.
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    Re: Exclusive: Rumsfeld unloads

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The is likely a list. We oversaw a war he wasn't prepared for to start with. His comment about going to war with the amry you have highlights this. He had time to plan. He was asked right after 9/11 to formulate a plan with Iraq. He shoudl have been prepared. He should have argued against going in. Listened more to Powell and less to Cheney. These are just off the top of my head.
    We forgot how to fight a war after World War II.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Iraq was everybody else's fault but his?
    This question makes no sense, what's your point? What do you mean by fault?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    We forgot how to fight a war after World War II.
    No. There hasn't been a war like WWII since. Wars changed and we were slow to change. We keep fighting the last war instead of the one before us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The is likely a list. We oversaw a war he wasn't prepared for to start with. His comment about going to war with the amry you have highlights this. He had time to plan. He was asked right after 9/11 to formulate a plan with Iraq. He shoudl have been prepared. He should have argued against going in. Listened more to Powell and less to Cheney. These are just off the top of my head.
    See this is the bull**** kookaid talking. He specifically says that Powell raised no objections whatsoever about Iraq. So your case is empty, you've got nothing but thin air. And the bit about going in with the army you have, is referring to the previous administration that gutted the military because they thought terrorism was a policing issue. "He shoudl have been prepared." <<<<< This is bull****, as I stated. Should he have known we were going to war, or should have been able to spend a $trillion prior to 9/11 so our military would be at its prime? Monday morning quarterbacking and wrong assumptions is the real problem with Rummiebashers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No. There hasn't been a war like WWII since. Wars changed and we were slow to change. We keep fighting the last war instead of the one before us.
    We started fighting wars "humanely", which is used against us by the opposition, which doesn't give a crap.

    When you fight a war, you bomb the crap out of everything in sight and kill tons of people. You use the same reasoning as when we hit Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Then, you win. We don't do that anymore, which is why we don't win anymore.

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    You know it would have been interesting to see how the libs would have acted, had Bush requested a more official sounding Declaration of War like FDR got. And then when Bush would have told GM, Ford and Chrysler, you people are not making tanks.....then then taken the federal budget and spent 80% on the military like FDR did when he got caught flat-footed at Pearl Harbor. If Bush would have done all that the liberal would have taken to the streets then, when their left-wing budgets would have been gutted for the War on Terror. You still want to badmouth Bush?
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    Re: Exclusive: Rumsfeld unloads

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    We started fighting wars "humanely", which is used against us by the opposition, which doesn't give a crap.

    When you fight a war, you bomb the crap out of everything in sight and kill tons of people. You use the same reasoning as when we hit Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Then, you win. We don't do that anymore, which is why we don't win anymore.
    Bull****

    You bombed the living hell of everything in Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos and you didn't win there.

    Take that argument and shove it up your ass.

    You win nothing by killing the innocent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Bull****

    You bombed the living hell of everything in Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos and you didn't win there.

    Take that argument and shove it up your ass.

    You win nothing by killing the innocent.
    We took a hill, then we retreated. Then we took it again, then we retreated. We fought Vietnam without any clear objective of what it was we wanted to achieve. We had a 150 decision makers worried more about elections and public opinions than the soldiers that were stuck in limbo halfway around the world.

    What I described in the earlier post is the way wars have ALWAYS been won. You can choose to hate it - I hate it, too - but that's just the way it is.

    Killing the innocent is unavoidable. Not as much as it used to be, but still completely unavoidable, unless you really aren't committed to winning the war.

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    Re: Exclusive: Rumsfeld unloads

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    We started fighting wars "humanely", which is used against us by the opposition, which doesn't give a crap.

    When you fight a war, you bomb the crap out of everything in sight and kill tons of people. You use the same reasoning as when we hit Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Then, you win. We don't do that anymore, which is why we don't win anymore.
    Allow me to repeat: BULL ****!!!!

    Any historical reading of vietnam shows we drop a ton of ordinace. We killed a lot of people. There was little humane about it. And it was useless. We had not adapted to a new type of warfare.

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