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    Re: Exclusive: Rumsfeld unloads

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Give me a few examples of insurgencies or guerrilla movements that were ever successfully suppressed through the use of brute force, besides the one I mentioned above.
    The Viet Cong, the Japanese occupation of Vietnam, Korea and China, German ocupation of most of Europe. How many more do you want?



    That's true. AQ definitely hasn't "won" in any sense of the word given what OBL's original vision was. But neither are they easily defeated.
    Just think of how, "al Qaeda", would be a dirty word in the ME, had we had them with the appropriate level of violence.

    This is illegal in Germany, today.



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    Re: Exclusive: Rumsfeld unloads

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Fair enough; and you're right - I didn't say exactly what I thought to say. So my apologies for that. This isn't really something I'm going to get to passionate about, so I can concede that point to you.
    Not a concession as much as middle ground, sir.
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    Re: Exclusive: Rumsfeld unloads

    The Viet Cong, the Japanese occupation of Vietnam, Korea and China, German ocupation of most of Europe. How many more do you want?
    Apart from perhaps the VC, I don't think any of the others qualify as "successfully suppressed." The Koreans and Chinese fought back, as did the Free French and Yugoslav Partisans, etc. None of them were ever really eliminated and remained problematic till the end.

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    Re: Exclusive: Rumsfeld unloads

    Just think of how, "al Qaeda", would be a dirty word in the ME, had we had them with the appropriate level of violence.

    This is illegal in Germany, today.



    Care to take a guess as to why?
    I'm not sure what you're trying to get at, could you explain? You're saying AQ would be hated by the rest of the Middle East if only we used enough force? The German comparison doesn't really stand up to this, given that the governments of many ME countries engage in the same kind of fundamentalism (besides the violent part).
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    Re: Exclusive: Rumsfeld unloads

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Apart from perhaps the VC, I don't think any of the others qualify as "successfully suppressed." The Koreans and Chinese fought back, as did the Free French and Yugoslav Partisans, etc. None of them were ever really eliminated and remained problematic till the end.
    And, without allied forces, they wouldn't have ever survived.
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    Re: Exclusive: Rumsfeld unloads

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I'm not sure what you're trying to get at, could you explain?
    Because we inflicted so much death and destruction on the German people, any and all Nazi symbolism is now illegal in Germany.
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    Re: Exclusive: Rumsfeld unloads

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Because we inflicted so much death and destruction on the German people, any and all Nazi symbolism is now illegal in Germany.
    I think that was more because we occupied and actively helped reshape and reconstruct their society, same with Japan. I don't see the entire Middle East as being a comparable situation to those two, are you saying we should just invade every ME country and somehow force them to not sympathize w/ AQ?
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    Re: Exclusive: Rumsfeld unloads

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    And, without allied forces, they wouldn't have ever survived.
    Maybe, maybe not, who knows? Maybe their will would have been broken eventually, maybe not. But I'll bet that more than a few of them would have remained problematic for a long time, and if they ever gave up it would have been exhaustion from their own fighting, and not because brute force works against insurgencies. Just like in Spain during the 1810s, Algeria in the fifties and sixties, Vietnam, many examples from Latin America, etc.

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    Re: Exclusive: Rumsfeld unloads

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    Do you have any actual input? If not; then carry on.
    I have offered input. The fact you don't like it does not really matter.
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    Re: Exclusive: Rumsfeld unloads

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    I have offered input. The fact you don't like it does not really matter.
    You offered erroneous input.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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