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FACT CHECK: Obama and his imbalanced ledger

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More fuzzy math from Obama

FACT CHECK: Obama and his imbalanced ledger - Yahoo! News


The ledger did not appear to be adding up Tuesday night when President Barack Obama urged more spending on one hand and a spending freeze on the other.

Obama spoke ambitiously of putting money into roads, research, education, efficient cars, high-speed rail and other initiatives in his State of the Union speech. He pointed to the transportation and construction projects of the last two years and proposed "we redouble these efforts." He coupled this with a call to "freeze annual domestic spending for the next five years."

But Obama offered far more examples of where he would spend than where he would cut, and some of the areas he identified for savings are not certain to yield much if anything.
 
ptif219 said:
More fuzzy math from Obama

FACT CHECK: Obama and his imbalanced ledger - Yahoo! News


The ledger did not appear to be adding up Tuesday night when President Barack Obama urged more spending on one hand and a spending freeze on the other.

Obama spoke ambitiously of putting money into roads, research, education, efficient cars, high-speed rail and other initiatives in his State of the Union speech. He pointed to the transportation and construction projects of the last two years and proposed "we redouble these efforts." He coupled this with a call to "freeze annual domestic spending for the next five years."

But Obama offered far more examples of where he would spend than where he would cut, and some of the areas he identified for savings are not certain to yield much if anything.
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This is always the battle. Nothing new. However, I will say, it isn't the number that is important but the dollar amounts associated with each thing. So counting up things mentioned really doesn't tell us much either way.
 
Boo Radley said:
This is always the battle. Nothing new. However, I will say, it isn't the number that is important but the dollar amounts associated with each thing. So counting up things mentioned really doesn't tell us much either way.
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Same fuzzy math used for healthcare and unemployment. Obama numbers are never true
 
ptif219 said:
Same fuzzy math used for healthcare and unemployment. Obama numbers are never true
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If you want to talk about fuzzy math, look no further than the inadequate number of troops Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz authorized for the invasion of Iraq.
 
ptif219 said:
Off topic !!!
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No so much. The fact is the numbers both side use are often questionable. As we don't have any specifics yet, it's hard to say how fuzzy. So, while I'm not disputing that they likely don't add up, the fact is this is not new, or particular to just Obama. Battles over what we spend money on are common, and I would argue important.
 
Boo Radley said:
No so much. The fact is the numbers both side use are often questionable. As we don't have any specifics yet, it's hard to say how fuzzy. So, while I'm not disputing that they likely don't add up, the fact is this is not new, or particular to just Obama. Battles over what we spend money on are common, and I would argue important.
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To bring up Bush is off topic and has nothing to do with Obama's history of fuzzy math
 
ptif219 said:
To bring up Bush is off topic and has nothing to do with Obama's history of fuzzy math
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Not to the point he was making. I understand the desire to cntrol the direction of a conversation, but his point is valid. This isn't new. If you object to fuzzy math on one side, you should object to it on all sides. But the fact is we simply don't have enough information yet. The devil will be in the details, and no one has enough math yet to check.
 
Boo Radley said:
Not to the point he was making. I understand the desire to cntrol the direction of a conversation, but his point is valid. This isn't new. If you object to fuzzy math on one side, you should object to it on all sides. But the fact is we simply don't have enough information yet. The devil will be in the details, and no one has enough math yet to check.
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The point is not valid. Can Obama supporters ever talk about Obama without bringing up Bush. Bush has nothing to do with Obama numbers
 
ptif219 said:
The point is not valid. Can Obama supporters ever talk about Obama without bringing up Bush. Bush has nothing to do with Obama numbers
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Not when you object to things you don't object to in Bush and republicans. But again, we don't have the numbers to check yet. Until we do, there isn't much to actually discuss.
 
Boo Radley said:
Not when you object to things you don't object to in Bush and republicans. But again, we don't have the numbers to check yet. Until we do, there isn't much to actually discuss.
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Yet the AP brings it up. Shows something does not add up
 
ptif219 said:
Yet the AP brings it up. Shows something does not add up
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yes, they bring it up. And there's nothing wrong with that, as a concern. But the fact is we don't have any numbers yet. And when we do, I'm sure there will be disagreement about them. But at least we could then look at the numbers and have something to discuss.
 
Boo Radley said:
yes, they bring it up. And there's nothing wrong with that, as a concern. But the fact is we don't have any numbers yet. And when we do, I'm sure there will be disagreement about them. But at least we could then look at the numbers and have something to discuss.
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They would not bring it up unless the numbers are way off. There is not enough cuts to cover the spending
 
These conversations always crack me up. Obama is going to throw all these proposals up and of course he has no idea how much they will cost or save in reality, but the real issue is that he is taking an initiative and moving forward. The real movement and "math" must come from Congress. What you must see is that Obama placed himself in a perfect political position. He offered things Republicans wanted, and stayed firm on the things Democrats wanted. He is emulating Clinton in 1994 and if you can't remember it worked wonderfully for Clinton.
 
ptif219 said:
They would not bring it up unless the numbers are way off. There is not enough cuts to cover the spending
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They would have to have numbers. Do you see any numbers?
 
ptif219 said:
They would not bring it up unless the numbers are way off. There is not enough cuts to cover the spending
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Don't forget he is talking long-term gains. I understand most business and the lot only look toward short-term as can be saw in how our industry has been sent wholesale abroad, and now people are crying as our economy sinks. In the longterm, money's spent today will be returned in greater tax revenue as more jobs are created and (cross your fingers) higher wages from these jobs.
 
tlmorg02 said:
Don't forget he is talking long-term gains. I understand most business and the lot only look toward short-term as can be saw in how our industry has been sent wholesale abroad, and now people are crying as our economy sinks. In the longterm, money's spent today will be returned in greater tax revenue as more jobs are created and (cross your fingers) higher wages from these jobs.
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You mean like all the jobs these same policies failed to produce the last 2 years
 
ptif219 said:
Then why would they bring it up? The cuts cannot come close to the spending
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Something Obama said last night? Weren't you listening. He clearly stated that if you thought cutting domestic spending would do the job, you're wrong. More was going to have be looked at. So, congress has to look. Big programs like the military and SS and medicare will have to be looked at. So will taxes.

But presently, we don't have the details to actually discuss.
 
ptif219 said:
You mean like all the jobs these same policies failed to produce the last 2 years
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Thats my point. If the GOP and Tea Party continue with rhetoric like that you keep regurgitating, he is a sure bet to win in 2012. See, ideas are what matter, he is proposing some for better or worse. The opposition likes to play school yard and say "Your a socialist, and you did not create any jobs..." Thus, when faced with a choice, voters will migrate. The GOP must share in any blame now, so they best do less trash talking and more working.
 
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Boo Radley said:
Something Obama said last night? Weren't you listening. He clearly stated that if you thought cutting domestic spending would do the job, you're wrong. More was going to have be looked at. So, congress has to look. Big programs like the military and SS and medicare will have to be looked at. So will taxes.

But presently, we don't have the details to actually discuss.
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Let him try to touch SS and medicare and he will surely kill his chances for re-election
 
ptif219 said:
Let him try to touch SS and medicare and he will surely kill his chances for re-election
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Exactly. Same with anyone else, and hence our problem. The big disconnect. Don't touch, don't tax, and balance. See the problem yet?
 
tlmorg02 said:
Thats my point. If the GOP and Tea Party continue with rhetoric like that you keep regurgitating, he is a sure bet to win in 2012. See, ideas are what matter, he is proposing some for better or worse. The opposition likes to play school yard and say "Your a socialist, and you did not create any jobs..." Thus, when faced with a choice, voters will migrate. The GOP must share in any blame now, so they best do less trash talking and more working.
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Problem is he is saying the same thing he has been saying for 2 years. More government will create jobs. That has failed and will continue to fail if allowed
 
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