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    Re: FACT CHECK: Obama and his imbalanced ledger

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not to the point he was making. I understand the desire to cntrol the direction of a conversation, but his point is valid. This isn't new. If you object to fuzzy math on one side, you should object to it on all sides. But the fact is we simply don't have enough information yet. The devil will be in the details, and no one has enough math yet to check.

    The point is not valid. Can Obama supporters ever talk about Obama without bringing up Bush. Bush has nothing to do with Obama numbers

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    Re: FACT CHECK: Obama and his imbalanced ledger

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    The point is not valid. Can Obama supporters ever talk about Obama without bringing up Bush. Bush has nothing to do with Obama numbers
    Not when you object to things you don't object to in Bush and republicans. But again, we don't have the numbers to check yet. Until we do, there isn't much to actually discuss.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: FACT CHECK: Obama and his imbalanced ledger

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not when you object to things you don't object to in Bush and republicans. But again, we don't have the numbers to check yet. Until we do, there isn't much to actually discuss.
    Yet the AP brings it up. Shows something does not add up

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    Re: FACT CHECK: Obama and his imbalanced ledger

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Yet the AP brings it up. Shows something does not add up
    yes, they bring it up. And there's nothing wrong with that, as a concern. But the fact is we don't have any numbers yet. And when we do, I'm sure there will be disagreement about them. But at least we could then look at the numbers and have something to discuss.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: FACT CHECK: Obama and his imbalanced ledger

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    yes, they bring it up. And there's nothing wrong with that, as a concern. But the fact is we don't have any numbers yet. And when we do, I'm sure there will be disagreement about them. But at least we could then look at the numbers and have something to discuss.
    They would not bring it up unless the numbers are way off. There is not enough cuts to cover the spending

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    Re: FACT CHECK: Obama and his imbalanced ledger

    These conversations always crack me up. Obama is going to throw all these proposals up and of course he has no idea how much they will cost or save in reality, but the real issue is that he is taking an initiative and moving forward. The real movement and "math" must come from Congress. What you must see is that Obama placed himself in a perfect political position. He offered things Republicans wanted, and stayed firm on the things Democrats wanted. He is emulating Clinton in 1994 and if you can't remember it worked wonderfully for Clinton.

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    Re: FACT CHECK: Obama and his imbalanced ledger

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    They would not bring it up unless the numbers are way off. There is not enough cuts to cover the spending
    They would have to have numbers. Do you see any numbers?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: FACT CHECK: Obama and his imbalanced ledger

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    They would not bring it up unless the numbers are way off. There is not enough cuts to cover the spending
    Don't forget he is talking long-term gains. I understand most business and the lot only look toward short-term as can be saw in how our industry has been sent wholesale abroad, and now people are crying as our economy sinks. In the longterm, money's spent today will be returned in greater tax revenue as more jobs are created and (cross your fingers) higher wages from these jobs.

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    Re: FACT CHECK: Obama and his imbalanced ledger

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    They would have to have numbers. Do you see any numbers?
    Then why would they bring it up? The cuts cannot come close to the spending

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    Re: FACT CHECK: Obama and his imbalanced ledger

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Don't forget he is talking long-term gains. I understand most business and the lot only look toward short-term as can be saw in how our industry has been sent wholesale abroad, and now people are crying as our economy sinks. In the longterm, money's spent today will be returned in greater tax revenue as more jobs are created and (cross your fingers) higher wages from these jobs.

    You mean like all the jobs these same policies failed to produce the last 2 years

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