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    Re: Obama may get power to shut down Internet without court oversight

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian
    So the argument has morphed from 'this bill gives Obama the authority to simply shut off the internet', to 'this bill doesn't specifically prevent Obama from shutting off the internet'.

    Sorry, but that dog won't hunt.
    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out that this bill gives the government the authority to close the internet, "in the interest of cyber security".
    apparently it does, and you aren't

    You just finished saying that it wasn't about what the bill DID give Obama, it was that there was nothign in the bill 'preventing' him from shutting off the Internet... but now you're back to 'this bills gives the government...'

    Make up your mind.

    If you read the bill, you need to read it more carefully.

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    Re: Obama may get power to shut down Internet without court oversight

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    Got to love the newspeak coming out of Washington. Does the first amendment mean nothing to these people?

    Obama may get power to shut down Internet without court oversight | Raw Story
    I am opposed to the government having the ability to shut down the internet for any reason.If they are so worried about having cyber terrorist hacking the pentagon its called cut the line off to the pentagon. Only despots and dictators cut off the internet.
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    Re: Obama may get power to shut down Internet without court oversight

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Not that this wouldn't seriously suck, based on my work usage from home... but how does it relate to the thread topic?

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    Re: Obama may get power to shut down Internet without court oversight

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    apparently it does, and you aren't

    You just finished saying that it wasn't about what the bill DID give Obama, it was that there was nothign in the bill 'preventing' him from shutting off the Internet... but now you're back to 'this bills gives the government...'

    Make up your mind.

    If you read the bill, you need to read it more carefully.
    Perhaps it is, you, sir that needs to read the bill more carefully.

    SEC. 14. PUBLIC-PRIVATE CLEARINGHOUSE.


    (a) DESIGNATION- The Department of Commerce shall serve as the clearinghouse of cybersecurity threat and vulnerability information to Federal Government and private sector owned critical infrastructure information systems and networks.

    (b) FUNCTIONS- The Secretary of Commerce--


    (1) shall have access to all relevant data concerning such networks without regard to any provision of law, regulation, rule, or policy restricting such access;

    (2) shall manage the sharing of Federal Government and other critical infrastructure threat and vulnerability information between the Federal Government and the persons primarily responsible for the operation and maintenance of the networks concerned; and

    (3) shall report regularly to the Congress on threat information held by the Federal Government that is not shared with the persons primarily responsible for the operation and maintenance of the networks concerned.
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    Re: Obama may get power to shut down Internet without court oversight

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Perhaps it is, you, sir that needs to read the bill more carefully.
    b) FUNCTIONS- The Secretary of Commerce--

    (1) shall have access to all relevant data concerning such networks without regard to any provision of law, regulation, rule, or policy restricting such access;
    How the hell do you get 'Obama can shut down the Internet' from that?

    It says 'access to all relevant data'... not 'the ability to shut off the Internet whenever desired'.

    Please... try again, if you must.

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    Re: Obama may get power to shut down Internet without court oversight

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    is there anything in the summary I just posted that indicates the President could just 'shut the Internet off'?
    Not that I could find. It does say:

    Authorizes the President to issue a declaration of a national cyber emergency to covered critical infrastructure.
    I'm not sure just what that means. It sounds more like being able to declare an emergency should there be a cyber attack aimed at shutting down communications.
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    Re: Obama may get power to shut down Internet without court oversight

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Not that I could find. It does say:



    I'm not sure just what that means. It sounds more like being able to declare an emergency should there be a cyber attack aimed at shutting down communications.
    Right. An internet "state of emergency" could occur but there's nothing in the bill that says this means total shutdown .
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    Re: Obama may get power to shut down Internet without court oversight

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    Not that this wouldn't seriously suck, based on my work usage from home... but how does it relate to the thread topic?
    Complete control of the internet. That is what both do

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    Re: Obama may get power to shut down Internet without court oversight

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Complete control of the internet. That is what both do
    The bill does NOT give Obama any special power to simply shut off the internet,.

    The Canadian thing has nothing to do with governmental powers over shuttign the internet, it has to do with charging through the nose for access.

    Dude, I dislike Obama's policies more than you can imagine... but imagine is the correct word here.

    You're imagining things.

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