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    Re: Where Did the Stimulus Go?

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    perhaps our Bankrupt grandchildren will appreciate the benefits of Fruit Fly Research or the importance of locating radioactive rabbit droppings......
    I was responding directly to your issue with fruit fly research and provided facts that support the benefit of this research. Including research studying birth defects and autism.

    As to your copy and paste list of stimulus projects I did a little research on them just starting at the top of the list. If you read this you may find that there is more to the story than a list of bullet points.

    • $300,000 for a GPS-equipped helicopter to hunt for radioactive rabbit droppings at the Hanford nuclear reservation in Washington state.

    Radioactive Rabbit Droppings Help Spur Nuclear Cleanup

    The goal was to pinpoint soils contaminated with harmful radioactive materials that had been spread far a field within the complex by animals and the wind.
    The tainted soils are to be removed in an effort to stop the waste from leaching into the local water supply, where it could cause cancer in humans.
    • $30 million for a spring training baseball complex for the Arizona Diamondbacks and Colorado Rockies.

    Stimulus money will help build E. Valley baseball complex

    The tribe applied for the $30 million through a $1 billion stimulus-bond program that is part of the federal recovery plan.
    "It's not free money," said Anthony Farese, the community's treasurer. "It isn't a grant."
    • $11 million for Microsoft to build a bridge connecting its two headquarter campuses in Redmond, Wash., which are separated by a highway.

    Critics slam Microsoft bridge as waste of stimulus money - CNN

    "It's going create just under 400 jobs for 18 months constructing the bridge," says Redmond Mayor John Marchione. "It's also connecting our technical sector with our retail and commercial sectors so people can cross the freeway to shop and help traffic flow."
    • $430,000 to repair a bridge in Iowa County, Wis., that carries 10 or fewer cars per day.

    Rural bridges targeted - JSOnline

    The cash flowed to the chosen projects based largely on timing.
    The 37 bridges that got funding have met all the requirements needed to start the flow of cash from federal coffers.
    More than 1,200 other bridges deemed deficient have not met those funding requirements. And the goal of the program is to create construction jobs quickly.
    • $800,000 for the John Murtha Airport in Johnstown, Pa., serving about 20 passengers per day, to build a backup runway.

    John Murtha Johnstown-Cambria County Airport: About the Airport/History

    A study by the Pennsylvania Department of Transportation’s Bureau of Aviation calculated the annual economic benefits to the region, stemming from the airport, and result in over 1200 jobs, an annual payroll of $23 million and an annual economic output over $217 million.
    • $219,000 for Syracuse University to study the sex lives of freshmen women.

    PolitiFact | McConnell claims stimulus includes $219,000 to study the sex lives of female college freshmen

    The two-year survey will track health-related behaviors such as tobacco use, alcohol use, exercise and physical activity, sleep and sexual behavior as well as psychosomatic and mental health symptoms. The findings will be used "to inform parents, educators, medical and public health professionals, and to guide the development of more effective health promotion and disease prevention programs."
    • $2.3 million for the U.S. Forest Service to rear large numbers of arthropods, including the Asian longhorned beetle, the nun moth and the woolly adelgid.

    http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/...upgradeable=no

    That U.S. Forest Service facility in Ansonia might not seem too economically stimulating, but it does have an important job in studying invasive pests that can kill millions of trees if they aren't stopped.
    Also - many of the items that are in the list you pasted are not even in the stimulus, as indicated here. Though you may discount the source.

    10 Recovery Act Myths | The White House

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    Re: Where Did the Stimulus Go?

    Quote Originally Posted by satandog View Post
    • $219,000 for Syracuse University to study the sex lives of freshmen women.
    They don't need to spend $219,000 for that. If they hire me, I'll study the subject for free.
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    Re: Where Did the Stimulus Go?

    Quote Originally Posted by satandog View Post
    I was responding directly to your issue with fruit fly research and provided facts that support the benefit of this research. Including research studying birth defects and autism.

    As to your copy and paste list of stimulus projects I did a little research on them just starting at the top of the list. If you read this you may find that there is more to the story than a list of bullet points.

    • $300,000 for a GPS-equipped helicopter to hunt for radioactive rabbit droppings at the Hanford nuclear reservation in Washington state.

    Radioactive Rabbit Droppings Help Spur Nuclear Cleanup



    • $30 million for a spring training baseball complex for the Arizona Diamondbacks and Colorado Rockies.

    Stimulus money will help build E. Valley baseball complex



    • $11 million for Microsoft to build a bridge connecting its two headquarter campuses in Redmond, Wash., which are separated by a highway.

    Critics slam Microsoft bridge as waste of stimulus money - CNN



    • $430,000 to repair a bridge in Iowa County, Wis., that carries 10 or fewer cars per day.

    Rural bridges targeted - JSOnline



    • $800,000 for the John Murtha Airport in Johnstown, Pa., serving about 20 passengers per day, to build a backup runway.

    John Murtha Johnstown-Cambria County Airport: About the Airport/History



    • $219,000 for Syracuse University to study the sex lives of freshmen women.

    PolitiFact | McConnell claims stimulus includes $219,000 to study the sex lives of female college freshmen



    • $2.3 million for the U.S. Forest Service to rear large numbers of arthropods, including the Asian longhorned beetle, the nun moth and the woolly adelgid.

    http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/...upgradeable=no



    Also - many of the items that are in the list you pasted are not even in the stimulus, as indicated here. Though you may discount the source.

    10 Recovery Act Myths | The White House

    So which source wasnt ultimately the Whitehouse?

    Lay out any justification you wish, if you feel its worthy of stealing from our Grandchildren's grandchildren......so be it.

    Just remember.......the very people who have written said justifications.........are the very same people that promised you this..........




    ....and delivered.......


    Unemployment Rate since Obama's "Stimulus/Jobs Bill"


    The Largest Spending Bill/Failure in World History........
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    Re: Where Did the Stimulus Go?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    They don't need to spend $219,000 for that. If they hire me, I'll study the subject for free.
    need an assistant?

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    Re: Where Did the Stimulus Go?

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    So which source wasnt ultimately the Whitehouse?
    None of those sources, except the last one, are the White House. Did you look at any of them? They explain exactly who is asking for the money and for what. There are direct quotes from people involved in these projects.

    Real people asked for the stimulus money and real people are getting it. Money that is being spent to buy things and pay salaries. Well at least the 257 billion going to contracts, grants, and loans.

    Lay out any justification you wish, if you feel its worthy of stealing from our Grandchildren's grandchildren......so be it.
    Current economic activity drives future economic activity.

    You have to spend money to make money. Sad but true.

    Just remember.......the very people who have written said justifications.........are the very same people that promised you this..........
    I do not feel that a missed forecast equates to

    The Largest Spending Bill/Failure in World History........
    The CBO published a report on the impact of the stimulus.

    Congressional Budget Office - Estimated Impact of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act on Employment and Economic Output From July 2010 Through September 2010

    Page 3 of the pdf has a table indicating their estimated impact by calendar quarters and years for a number of metrics.

    If you don't like this source I am not sure what to tell you.

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    Re: Where Did the Stimulus Go?

    "Where did the stimulus go?"

    "A new study released by two leading economist claims to prove that the Bush enacted "bailout" of Wall Street, along with the Obama Stimulus package have prevented the United States from entering into a second Great Depression.

    Alan S. Blinder, a Princeton professor and former vice chairman of the Fed, and Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody's Analytics say that without the bailout, known as the TARP program, and the Stimulus package, the gross domestic product would be about 6.5 percent lower this year.
    Their study also finds that there would be 8.5 million fewer jobs, in addition to the 8 million jobs already lost, and we would be suffering from deflation rather than the mild inflation we are currently experiencing."


    Continue reading on Examiner.com: Economic Study: Bailout and Stimulus prevented 2nd depression - Dallas County Political Buzz | Examiner.com Economic Study: Bailout and Stimulus prevented 2nd depression - Dallas County Political Buzz | Examiner.com
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    Re: Where Did the Stimulus Go?

    Quote Originally Posted by satandog View Post
    None of those sources, except the last one, are the White House. Did you look at any of them? They explain exactly who is asking for the money and for what. There are direct quotes from people involved in these projects.
    So the people receiving billions of We The People's money.........assured us that their cause is just......

    Real people asked for the stimulus money and real people are getting it. Money that is being spent to buy things and pay salaries. Well at least the 257 billion going to contracts, grants, and loans.
    Spent to buy thing for and pay the bloated salaries of........ the public sector. Granted we want the parasite to be well cared for.........but shouldnt the host organism be our first concern?

    Current economic activity drives future economic activity.

    You have to spend money to make money. Sad but true.
    And if MASSIVE GOVERNMENT SPENDING actually stimulated an economy.........if it actually created prosperity and wealth.........

    ...........we should all be millionaires and the USSR should have been the beacon of prosperity in the world.


    I do not feel that a missed forecast equates to
    I do not feel the American Public would have supported a "Stimulus" program that contended it would raise the unemployment rate to around 10%.....and keep it there. So Obama and Democrats lied......arent you used to it.

    The CBO published a report on the impact of the stimulus.

    Congressional Budget Office - Estimated Impact of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act on Employment and Economic Output From July 2010 Through September 2010

    Page 3 of the pdf has a table indicating their estimated impact by calendar quarters and years for a number of metrics.

    If you don't like this source I am not sure what to tell you.
    The same goes for ObamaCare........The CBO makes its estimates based on the information provided to them. In the case of PORKULUS.....

    .........if Government spends (Y).........it will create (X) number of jobs.......computer models never lie.
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    Re: Where Did the Stimulus Go?

    Spent to buy thing for and pay the bloated salaries of........ the public sector. Granted we want the parasite to be well cared for.........but shouldnt the host organism be our first concern?
    Here are some private sector employees funded by the stimulus.

    'Stimulus got me my job' - 'It's keeping me employed' (1) - CNNMoney.com

    And if MASSIVE GOVERNMENT SPENDING actually stimulated an economy.........if it actually created prosperity and wealth.........

    ...........we should all be millionaires and the USSR should have been the beacon of prosperity in the world.
    Here is a chart of US GDP from 1960 to 2009, up 2,592%. Our current GDP is 14 trillion. Almost 3 times second place Japan, at 5 trillion, and third place China, slightly less than 5 trillion.

    World Bank, World Development Indicators - Google public data

    For all of our issues this is still a great country and full of opportunity.

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    Re: Where Did the Stimulus Go?

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    So which source wasnt ultimately the Whitehouse?

    Lay out any justification you wish, if you feel its worthy of stealing from our Grandchildren's grandchildren......so be it.

    Just remember.......the very people who have written said justifications.........are the very same people that promised you this..........




    ....and delivered.......


    Unemployment Rate since Obama's "Stimulus/Jobs Bill"


    The Largest Spending Bill/Failure in World History........
    Do you know what a projection is? Hint: it's not a promise.
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