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    Re: Ron Paul, Ralph Nader agree on ‘progressive-libertarian alliance’

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    You know, at first blush, this might seem like an impossible coalition. And you know what? First blush is 100% correct. While both Libertarians and Progressives have much in common against corporate interests co opting the government of, by, and for the people, all similarities end there.

    Ron Paul and Libertarians believe strongly that the issues of abortion, gay rights, and just about every other divisive issue belong to the states, and are not any business of the government. On the other hand, Nader and the Progressives believe in government intervention to a point that approaches Socialism. So what kind of alliance do we actually have here? Not much. I predict that this alliance will hold on a few (very few) issues, concerning the rights of the people versus the rights of corporations. Beyond that, they will be fighting each other like cats and dogs, as they have done in the past.

    Alliance? On which planet, and in which sanitarium on that planet?

    Article is here.
    I don't know how well this alliance will do practically and pragmatically, but I, for one, am glad that two political activists from such divergent groups are willing to sit down and discuss the issues and try to find some common causes to work forward on, no matter how few or trivial those causes may be.
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    Re: Ron Paul, Ralph Nader agree on ‘progressive-libertarian alliance’

    interesting dichotomy you have here. there are infact two political parties in this coutry. the first and most powerful is the republican, moderate, democrat alliance putting forward the policies of the international bankers and war mongers. the second being the fringes led by supposed madmen and lunatics that want government to set a fair playing field for everyone and not provide for super-representation of the powerful elites.

    that's a tough choice, either advocate slavery and violence, or lose all the elections.

    does the fact that i realize this, and still participate in the process indicate a certain level of insanity?
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    Re: Ron Paul, Ralph Nader agree on ‘progressive-libertarian alliance’

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    He is not as nuts as Paul, but I stand by my comment that he is nuts: Political Issues that Matter - Ralph Nader's Views on the Issues
    Of course the right winger is nuttier than the left winger, right?
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    Re: Ron Paul, Ralph Nader agree on ‘progressive-libertarian alliance’

    And yet it makes total sense. What’s so exciting is that their common cause shines the spotlight right where it’s needed: on corporatism — the constellation of government policies that primarily benefit wealthy and well-connected business and banking interests at the expense of the rest of us. While much of the Right Wing sees the danger of the Obama administration in Marxism and state socialism, Paul and Nader realize that that makes no sense. Bill Daley, Tim Geithner, Larry Summers, Paul Volcker, and Jeff Immelt are not the men a Marxist would pick as advisors. But they are the picks of a president who believes that economic stability can exist only if government and major businesses manage the economy together. Corporatism is the opposite of free markets, competition, and full individual liberty.

    Paul and Nader are also united in their opposition to America’s imperialist policies and perpetual overt and covert wars, which, in truth, is also part of the corporate state. Foreign wars and world policing may not be solely motivated by economic interests, but they play a big role. Writer Nick Turse documents that the military-industrial complex is more pervasive than ever. The “defense” budget is a gigantic trough at which American companies can feast at taxpayer expense. Why take risks on new and better products for consumers, when the government will pay top tax dollar to pay for you make bombs, rockets, and Humvees?
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    Ron Paul and Ralph Nader on Corporatism and War by Sheldon Richman
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    Re: Ron Paul, Ralph Nader agree on ‘progressive-libertarian alliance’

    This is doomed, doomed, doomed. There is a basic 180 degree difference between the attitude of progressives and most libertarians when it comes to government itself and the purposes and uses of government. This causes both groups to develop and instinctive loathing of each other.
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    Re: Ron Paul, Ralph Nader agree on ‘progressive-libertarian alliance’

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Of course the right winger is nuttier than the left winger, right?
    Does that mean you now support Ron Paul? Let me buy you a beer.
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    Re: Ron Paul, Ralph Nader agree on ‘progressive-libertarian alliance’

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Both groups believe in government accountability so it makes sense.

    Both also believe our military should be limited to defense only.
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    Re: Ron Paul, Ralph Nader agree on ‘progressive-libertarian alliance’

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    This is doomed, doomed, doomed. There is a basic 180 degree difference between the attitude of progressives and most libertarians when it comes to government itself and the purposes and uses of government. This causes both groups to develop and instinctive loathing of each other.
    From what I have observed, there appears to be a 180 degree difference between what most of the folks within the Libertarian party itself can agree on. Not that I think they should agree on all their major party planks, but I think it makes it difficult for them to congeal into a party of significant size.
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