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Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate

OscarB63 said:
agree with everything except the last statement. a birth announcement in the paper is worth dick.
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True. Alone, the birth announcement really means nothing (legally). But when combined with the birth document issued by the state where Pres. Obama were born, it should've been enough to satisfy all callers. Unfortunately...

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the evidence of Obama's birth in Hawaii is overwhelming. what logical reason is there for anyone to continually refuse to accept factual evidence that Obama is a natural born citizen of the US?

what is it that they are really upset about? what is so different about Obama compared to previous Presidents that we've had? Is it his ancestry that gets to them? is it the fact that his mom is Kansan, his dad is Kenyan and Obama is African American?

is it that it's more pleasant for them to say they don't like someone because they are not a citizen of the United States, than it is to admit that you hate someone because you are a racist?

unless i'm missing something, there is no other explanation that makes any sense. if anyone here sees it any differently, then feel free to explain what other explanation could there be?

and of course i'm not saying it is racist to question something about the President. what i am saying, is that when you have overwhelming evidence about something, what logical reason is there to keep saying otherwise?

so if race is not the issue, what is it?
 
Serenity said:
the evidence of Obama's birth in Hawaii is overwhelming. what logical reason is there for anyone to continually refuse to accept factual evidence that Obama is a natural born citizen of the US?

what is it that they are really upset about? what is so different about Obama compared to previous Presidents that we've had? Is it his ancestry that gets to them? is it the fact that his mom is Kansan, his dad is Kenyan and Obama is African American?

is it that it's more pleasant for them to say they don't like someone because they are not a citizen of the United States, than it is to admit that you hate someone because you are a racist?

unless i'm missing something, there is no other explanation that makes any sense. if anyone here sees it any differently, then feel free to explain what other explanation could there be?

and of course i'm not saying it is racist to question something about the President. what i am saying, is that when you have overwhelming evidence about something, what logical reason is there to keep saying otherwise?

so if race is not the issue, what is it?
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I don't know who is more ridiculous, the birthers or the "if you don't like Obama you are a racist" crowd.

Obama is a liberal democrat, that's why they don't like him...just like they didn't like Clinton, but no one was pissing their pants and crying "racist" when Clinton was president.
 
OscarB63 said:
I don't know who is more ridiculous, the birthers or the "if you don't like Obama you are a racist" crowd.

Obama is a liberal democrat, that's why they don't like him...just like they didn't like Clinton, but no one was pissing their pants and crying "racist" when Clinton was president.
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i'm saying the evidence of Obama's birth in Hawaii is overwhelming. so what logical reason is there for anyone to continually refuse to accept factual evidence that Obama is a natural born citizen of the US?

i get that they don't like him. duh. but why continue to focus on this. why not criticize him for his policies they don't like. why the fascination with this??
 
OscarB63 said:
I don't know who is more ridiculous, the birthers or the "if you don't like Obama you are a racist" crowd.

Obama is a liberal democrat, that's why they don't like him...just like they didn't like Clinton, but no one was pissing their pants and crying "racist" when Clinton was president.
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He didn't say not liking Obama makes you racist. He was implying being a birther means you're racist.

I tend to agree. There isn't a logical reason for the belief. Even partisanism can't account for it, if there had been a question about Clinton's legitimacy, and Clinton had shown the document that Obama has shown, people would have dropped it right there.
 
Hey if you guys want to think that conservatives who oppose Obama are racist, that's ok. I don't give a **** what you folks think about anything any more. The American Left is dead to me.
 
Albert Di Salvo said:
Hey if you guys want to think that conservatives who oppose Obama are racist, that's ok. I don't give a **** what you folks think about anything any more. The American Left is dead to me.
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Did you happen to notice how that wasn't what we said?
 
Objective Voice said:
True. Alone, the birth announcement really means nothing (legally). But when combined with the birth document issued by the state where Pres. Obama were born, it should've been enough to satisfy all callers. Unfortunately...

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Well, if you're going to provide proof that Obama is a natural born citizen, it should at least be enough proof to get a driver's license.

So far, everything we have and a buck will get you a cup of coffee.

Why doesn't Abercrombie get with Chiyome Fukino and go see the long form? Or, did Fukino lie through his teeth, then he said he saw Obama's BC? I guess this shapes up to be one of two things, Fukino is a liar, or Abercrombie is a dumbass. Personally, I think Abercrombie is a dumbass, either way, for digging this **** up. I tola'ja it was gonna be a can of worms.

"I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago...."

Hawaii: Obama birth certificate is real - USATODAY.com
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Serenity said:
the evidence of Obama's birth in Hawaii is overwhelming. what logical reason is there for anyone to continually refuse to accept factual evidence that Obama is a natural born citizen of the US?

what is it that they are really upset about? what is so different about Obama compared to previous Presidents that we've had? Is it his ancestry that gets to them? is it the fact that his mom is Kansan, his dad is Kenyan and Obama is African American?

is it that it's more pleasant for them to say they don't like someone because they are not a citizen of the United States, than it is to admit that you hate someone because you are a racist?

unless i'm missing something, there is no other explanation that makes any sense. if anyone here sees it any differently, then feel free to explain what other explanation could there be?

and of course i'm not saying it is racist to question something about the President. what i am saying, is that when you have overwhelming evidence about something, what logical reason is there to keep saying otherwise?

so if race is not the issue, what is it?
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Damn! We're busted! You figgered us out; we're all racists. We realize that he's a natural born citizen and his policies are awesome, but we criticize him because he's black, or because he's half black, anyway. Either way, he's not white enough.
 
Serenity said:
i'm saying the evidence of Obama's birth in Hawaii is overwhelming. so what logical reason is there for anyone to continually refuse to accept factual evidence that Obama is a natural born citizen of the US?

i get that they don't like him. duh. but why continue to focus on this. why not criticize him for his policies they don't like. why the fascination with this??
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What difference does it make? Any criticism of Obama is going to be met with, "yooz-a-racist".

Actually, this thread is criticizing Abercrombie, but I understand how you couldn't resist calling someone a racist.
 
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apdst said:
What difference does it make? Any criticism of Obama is going to be met with, "yooz-a-racist".

Actually, this thread is criticizing Abercrombie, but I understand how you couldn't resist calling someone a racist.
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Except the part where nobody actually said that. Is your persecution complex so powerful that your brain just makes stuff up?
The document already publicly released is proof in a court of law that Obama is a citizen. End of story.
 
Moral of the story: Abercrombie should have kept his pie hole shut.
 
Hatuey said:
If there is a hell, there is surely a place dedicated to birthers, truthers and people who believe Elvis and Tupac are alive.
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Is that the same people who make baseless attacks on conservative politicians not knowing the contemporary meaning of 'blood libel'?
 
OscarB63 said:
I don't know who is more ridiculous, the birthers or the "if you don't like Obama you are a racist" crowd.

Obama is a liberal democrat, that's why they don't like him...just like they didn't like Clinton, but no one was pissing their pants and crying "racist" when Clinton was president.
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No one was questioning the origins or validity of his birth either.

So, when you have prove of a birth announcement in two local news papers published within days of his birth, at least one witness stating the she knew the Durbins and was present when Pres. Obama was a infant, a valid birth document (Certificate of Live Birth) that has been verified by the State of Hawaii, it's Governor, it's public health official, the Democrat National Committee, Congress and the Electoral College and people are still questioning the man's birth, what other reasonable explanation is there?
 
Objective Voice said:
Ambercrombie coming out and saying that the records his predecessor had sealed are NOT valid documents. IMO, that would be the smoking gun! Unseal the records, tell us what's inside. A simple matter of his powers as Hawaii's new governor.
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The governor does NOT have that power under Hawai'i law.

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A privacy law that shields birth certificates has prompted Democratic Gov. Neil Abercrombie to abandon efforts to dispel claims that President Barack Obama was born outside Hawaii, his office says.

Hawaii's health director said in 2008 and 2009 that she had seen and verified Obama's original vital records, and birth notices in two Honolulu newspapers were published within days of Obama's birth at Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital in Honolulu.
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Health Department spokeswoman Janice Okubo again confirmed Friday that Obama's name is found in its alphabetical list of names of people born in Hawaii, maintained in bound copies available for public view.

That information, called index data, shows a listing for "Obama II, Barack Hussein, Male," according to the department's website.
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Deuce said:
A piece of paper has been shown that is proof in a court of law that Obama is a US citizen.

If you are asked if Obama was born in the US, and your answer is something other than "Yes," you're either horribly uninformed or a birther.

Hell, the birth announcement in the paper alone should be enough for anybody sane.
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Do you really need to be redundant???
 
OscarB63 said:
I don't know who is more ridiculous, the birthers or the "if you don't like Obama you are a racist" crowd.

Obama is a liberal democrat, that's why they don't like him...just like they didn't like Clinton, but no one was pissing their pants and crying "racist" when Clinton was president.
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It is ok to not like Obama as a president. I don't like him as such. However, saying he isn't eligible for the job because he wasn't a natural born U.S. citizen is simply absurd.
 
apdst said:
Well, if you're going to provide proof that Obama is a natural born citizen, it should at least be enough proof to get a driver's license.
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And you know for sure he doesn't have one?

Why doesn't Abercrombie get with Chiyome Fukino and go see the long form? Or, did Fukino lie through his teeth, then he said he saw Obama's BC? I guess this shapes up to be one of two things, Fukino is a liar, or Abercrombie is a dumbass. Personally, I think Abercrombie is a dumbass, either way, for digging this **** up. I tola'ja it was gonna be a can of worms.
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I pretty much said the same thing in post #88.

Objective Voice said:
The way I see it, providing achieved information would be great, but ultimately this is an exercise in frutility. Whether Gov. Ambercrobie finds concrete evidence of Pres. Obama's birth and holds a nation press conference presenting said evidence or not won't change the mind of those who don't like Pres. Obama anyway.

...uch evidence would likely include Gov. Ambercrombie coming out and saying that the records his predecessor had sealed are NOT valid documents. IMO, that would be the smoking gun! Unseal the records, tell us what's inside. A simple matter of his powers as Hawaii's new governor.
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Again, finding prove of the President's birth in the state's public health archieves would be great because it would be one more piece of solid proof that his birth was properly recorded. That and Gov. Ambercrombie unsealing the records should be more than enough.

Let's see how events unfolds...
 
Objective Voice said:
And you know for sure he doesn't have one?
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Nope and never said he didn't. Only pointing out that Abercrombie can't come up with it. Again, this is more about Abercrombie's dumbassery, than Obama's citizenry.



I pretty much said the same thing in post #88.
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We're on the same page, so don't get so defensive, because this involves The Messiah.



Again, finding prove of the President's birth in the state's public health archieves would be great because it would be one more piece of solid proof that his birth was properly recorded. That and Gov. Ambercrombie unsealing the records should be more than enough.

Let's see how events unfolds...
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It would be great and why they don't just show, boggles my mind.
 
Deuce said:
Except the part where nobody actually said that. Is your persecution complex so powerful that your brain just makes stuff up?
The document already publicly released is proof in a court of law that Obama is a citizen. End of story.
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Except, that's exactly what Serenity is saying, here,

Serenity said:
the evidence of Obama's birth in Hawaii is overwhelming. what logical reason is there for anyone to continually refuse to accept factual evidence that Obama is a natural born citizen of the US?

what is it that they are really upset about? what is so different about Obama compared to previous Presidents that we've had? Is it his ancestry that gets to them? is it the fact that his mom is Kansan, his dad is Kenyan and Obama is African American?

is it that it's more pleasant for them to say they don't like someone because they are not a citizen of the United States, than it is to admit that you hate someone because you are a racist?

unless i'm missing something, there is no other explanation that makes any sense. if anyone here sees it any differently, then feel free to explain what other explanation could there be?

and of course i'm not saying it is racist to question something about the President. what i am saying, is that when you have overwhelming evidence about something, what logical reason is there to keep saying otherwise?

so if race is not the issue, what is it?
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Just couldn't resist.
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Barbbtx said:
Aren't there at least hospital records from the day he was born?
I don't keep up with all this birther stuff, so don't know if it's been asked before.
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No there are not any hospital records. Personal belief is (and has been) that this is the elephant in the room and the reason the Obama team has limited the published birth details to only what is on the COLA.

From a citizenship standpoint Obama is good as gold. The records all seem valid and establish his genuine citizenship. But from a "political" perspective, any confirmation that he was not born in a hospital (with associated attending physician) will open the door to some potentially awkward questions/scenarios that the Obama campaign would rather not be burdened with.

Have no idea where Obama was born, probably Hawaii. Legally it was Hawaii, so his citizenship is established. But he does have a very unique situation in that neither of his parents provide him automatic citizenship, so his birth location is his only qualification. If it becomes officially known that he was born outside of a hospital facility it could/would have the potential to be politically (not legally) awkward. ;)

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This whole thing is so silly.

I am sitting in my home office. Within arms reach is a two drawer file cabinet. In the bottom drawer I have a file that contains legal copies of my birth certificate, SSN, and every other important personal document. They are documents I HAVE to produce on a regular basis. If I ever ran for public office I can produce it easily (even though I would have to publically admit that I was born in California). That they havent put this thing to bed and that democrats and the media continue to make a big deal of it (yes...democrats. Why do we keep talking about this? Because liberal media brings it up to then scoff at 'birthers'. and because a democrat governor once again brought it up) means a couple of possible things...he is as suggested Kenyan born and was issued a certificate of live birth by his mothers residential state, or he was born in Hawaii and they refuse to produce the birth certificate so that they can occasionally bring it up and divert attention from real world problems.

Anyone that isnt named Barrack Hussein Obama and pretends to 'know' what the truth is is quite simply full of **** and spewing an opinion based on what fits their political viewpoint.
 
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