Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate

liblady said:

oh gosh, thanks so much. i'll read this as soon as hell freezes over.

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You might wanna stay up on it, because it's probably going to blow up in Abercrombie's face and make Obama look like a screwball--which won't be hard, at all.

winston53660 said:

This is what was said in the article cited by World Nut daily:


Q: You stirred up quite a controversy with your comments regarding birthers and your plans to release more information regarding President Barack Obama's birth certificate. How is that coming?

A: I got a letter from someone the other day who was genuinely concerned about it; it is not all just political agenda. They were talking on Olelo last night about this; it has a political implication for 2012 that we simply cannot have.

(Abercrombie said there is a recording of the birth in the State Archives and he wants to use that.)

It was actually written I am told, this is what our investigation is showing, it actually exists in the archives, written down ...

...What I can do, and all I have ever said, is that I am going to see to it as governor that I can verify to anyone who is honest about it that this is the case.

If there is a political agenda then there is nothing I can do about that, nor can the president.

'This is a collaborative endeavor' - Hawaii Editorials - Staradvertiser.com

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Darn...you beat me to it.

apdst said:

Take a newspaper ad to the DMV and see if they let you get a driver's license.

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I get your point - you need the actual legal documentation to validate your claim, but two can play that game.

How about using a marriage announcement as proof of your marriage? Moreover, try getting a divorce using it and not show a marriage license or having such on file at your local county clerk's office.

What about using a death announcement as proof to claim death benefits for a surviving family member?

Neither work very well do they? But, thanks for playing.

One last thing concerning the birther issue...

If neither a COLB or birth announcements are good enough to convince folks that the President was born in Hawaii, I seriously doubt any record from the Honolulu county health department archieves will convince anyone any differently. It should because it is historical information same as a COLB, but folks will still insist on seeing the long-form birth certificate (or some other form of birth record) which according to Hawaii state law no longer exists. But it would be nice to finally put this issue to rest with some form of tangible evidence other than the birth announcements or the President's COLB. Of course, since Gov. Abercrombie (and Fitch...:mrgreen is a Democrat...

Oddly enough, (as we all know) it was a Republican governor who recently verified his birth records to be true. If that wasn't good enough for the masses, nothing will be!

Objective Voice said:

One last thing concerning the birther issue...

If neither a COLB or birth announcements are good enough to convince folks that the President was born in Hawaii, I seriously doubt any record from the Honolulu county health department archieves will convince anyone any differently. It should because it is historical information same as a COLB, but folks will still insist on seeing the long-form birth certificate (or some other form of birth record) which according to Hawaii state law no longer exists. But it would be nice to finally put this issue to rest with some form of tangible evidence other than the birth announcements or the President's COLB. Of course, since Gov. Abercrombie (and Fitch...:mrgreen is a Democrat...

Oddly enough, (as we all know) it was a Republican governor who recently verified his birth records to be true. If that wasn't good enough for the masses, nothing will be!

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Exactly!!!!!!!!!

apdst said:

Take a newspaper ad to the DMV and see if they let you get a driver's license.

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Selective much? You seem to have ignored the link I posted which has Republican governor Linda Lingle confirming Obama's birth certificate.

Reading is fundamental, guy.

Objective Voice said:

I get your point - you need the actual legal documentation to validate your claim, but two can play that game.

How about using a marriage announcement as proof of your marriage? Moreover, try getting a divorce using it and not show a marriage license or having such on file at your local county clerk's office.

What about using a death announcement as proof to claim death benefits for a surviving family member?

Neither work very well do they? But, thanks for playing.

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What point are you trying to make? :lamo

danarhea said:

Selective much? You seem to have ignored the link I posted which has Republican governor Linda Lingle confirming Obama's birth certificate.

Reading is fundamental, guy.

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Reading is fundamental, guy; because if you'll notice I never said that Obama didn't have a birth certificate, or that Obama isn't a natural born citizen.

I'm only pointing out how embarassingly stupid Abercrombie's mission to prove it, is becoming.

why is this such an issue? why not just shut everyone up and show the damn thing? I have my original birth cert in a safe deposit box along with marriage certs, dd214s, birth certs for all my kids, etc and if asked I could produce the original or a certified copy within hours.

Objective Voice said:

One last thing concerning the birther issue...

If neither a COLB or birth announcements are good enough to convince folks that the President was born in Hawaii, I seriously doubt any record from the Honolulu county health department archieves will convince anyone any differently. It should because it is historical information same as a COLB, but folks will still insist on seeing the long-form birth certificate (or some other form of birth record) which according to Hawaii state law no longer exists. But it would be nice to finally put this issue to rest with some form of tangible evidence other than the birth announcements or the President's COLB. Of course, since Gov. Abercrombie (and Fitch...:mrgreen is a Democrat...

Oddly enough, (as we all know) it was a Republican governor who recently verified his birth records to be true. If that wasn't good enough for the masses, nothing will be!

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A birth announcement is not a legal document and the COLB (which the state of Hawaii has never confirmed that it came from them)could be based on a 338-17.8 birth certificate issued to children born outside of the state.
The current Governor went looking for the real birth certificate and came up empty handed. What does that tell you?

apdst said:

Oops!!



Governer, your can of worms,

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The article makes the claim yet actually fails to back it up - he said nothing of the sort.

So Birthers =1 Abercrombie =0

I thought he was on a personal mission to trounce birthers. If he doesn't pull this out after this much nonsense ... he'll be the punch line of every joke for a while.

Ockham said:

So Birthers =1 Abercrombie =0

I thought he was on a personal mission to trounce birthers. If he doesn't pull this out after this much nonsense ... he'll be the punch line of every joke for a while.

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Reading is good. The actual quote is entirely unlike the headline suggests.

Redress said:

Reading is good. The actual quote is entirely unlike the headline suggests.

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So I already read multiple stories about this today... they all say the same thing... Abercrombie hasn't produced any document or proof but claims it's written down somewhere, kinda like my shopping list. The headline, the quote... no indisputable proof from Abercombie. My score stands as is. :shrug:

Ockham said:

So I already read multiple stories about this today... they all say the same thing... Abercrombie hasn't produced any document or proof but claims it's written down somewhere, kinda like my shopping list. The headline, the quote... no indisputable proof from Abercombie. My score stands as is. :shrug:

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Here:

It actually exists in the archives

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Now, which part of that is hard to understand? Not getting something done that will take some unkown amount of time done on a random specific date is in no way an indicator of any type of failure, nor is it in this case any kind of vindication of idiot birthers.

either the guy can produce the document or not. if he can't he never should've said he could.

OscarB63 said:

either the guy can produce the document or not. if he can't he never should've said he could.

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Did he mention a deadline? If not, or if he did and we have not reached it, this whole thing is especially retarded.

Redress said:

Did he mention a deadline? If not, or if he did and we have not reached it, this whole thing is especially retarded.

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quibble. if it exists in the archive, it shouldn't take him 6 weeks to find the damn thing. I went in to the local health dept last month to get a copy of my youngest adopted son's birt cert. it took them all of 20 minutes to call the state office, have them find it, fax it back and put it in my hands.

your lame "he didn't give a deadline" excuse is beyond pathetic.

don't make promises you can't keep. if he wasn't sure he could deliver promptly, then he is the one who was especially retarded

OscarB63 said:

quibble. if it exists in the archive, it shouldn't take him 6 weeks to find the damn thing. I went in to the local health dept last month to get a copy of my youngest adopted son's birt cert. it took them all of 20 minutes to call the state office, have them find it, fax it back and put it in my hands.

your lame "he didn't give a deadline" excuse is beyond pathetic.

don't make promises you can't keep. if he wasn't sure he could deliver promptly, then he is the one who was especially retarded

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Was it the long form filled out by the hospital?

OscarB63 said:

quibble. if it exists in the archive, it shouldn't take him 6 weeks to find the damn thing. I went in to the local health dept last month to get a copy of my youngest adopted son's birt cert. it took them all of 20 minutes to call the state office, have them find it, fax it back and put it in my hands.

your lame "he didn't give a deadline" excuse is beyond pathetic.

don't make promises you can't keep. if he wasn't sure he could deliver promptly, then he is the one who was especially retarded

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He has not failed to keep the promise. That is pure birther type spin.

Redress said:

He has not failed to keep the promise. That is pure birther type spin.

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so your arguement is that since he gave no deadline, as long as he delivers sometime before his death he has kept his promise?

pathetic, really. I expect better of you

Objective Voice said:

I get your point - you need the actual legal documentation to validate your claim, but two can play that game.

How about using a marriage announcement as proof of your marriage? Moreover, try getting a divorce using it and not show a marriage license or having such on file at your local county clerk's office.

What about using a death announcement as proof to claim death benefits for a surviving family member?

Neither work very well do they? But, thanks for playing.

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apdst said:

What point are you trying to make? :lamo

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Just to show how ridiculous your attempt at discrediting public announcements really is. There's a reason birth, death and marriage announces are put in local newspapers - to inform the public of the event. While just about anyone can submit such information to local media outlets, what people (in this case, birthers, truthers or conspiracy theorists) don't stop to consider is the legal ramifications making a false statement would bring. In short, if the birth, marriage or death of an individual cannot be verified by local records agencies, i.e., city/county clerk's office, public health department, etc., then somebody's got some 'plainin' to do.

keymanjim said:

A birth announcement is not a legal document and the COLB (which the state of Hawaii has never confirmed that it came from them) could be based on a 338-17.8 birth certificate issued to children born outside of the state.
The current Governor went looking for the real birth certificate and came up empty handed. What does that tell you?

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First off, if Pres. Obama was born outside the U.S., his COLB would indicate such per Hawaiian law.

Second, what Gov. Abercrombie said was his investigation discovered a notation of Pres. Obama's birth in the record archieves. His predecessor, former Gov. Linda Lingle, states she placed Obama's birth certificate under seal and it was not to be released (to the press). It does make me wonder why Ambercrombie as Hawaii's new governor won't simply unseal the records. However, he could simply be looking for more concrete evidence that support the President's birth.

I know...far fetched. But considering that Hawaii no longer uses the long-form birth certificate, has stated repeatedly that birth records since 1961 have been placed in electronic form, and that everyone born in Hawaii now receives a COLB, it does make sense that Abercrombie would look for other supporting evidence besides a birth announcement, or the COLB sealed or otherwise.

The story continues...

Aren't there at least hospital records from the day he was born?
I don't keep up with all this birther stuff, so don't know if it's been asked before.

Barbbtx said:

Aren't there at least hospital records from the day he was born?
I don't keep up with all this birther stuff, so don't know if it's been asked before.

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As understand it, all long-form birth certificates and hospital birth records were transferred into electronic record form. I would assume the old hard copy records were destroyed after reprint in their new legal format under the law. You'd probably have to inquire to the Hawaii Dept. of Public Health to find out. :shrug:

Objective Voice said:

As understand it, all long-form birth certificates and hospital birth records were transferred into electronic record form. I would assume the old hard copy records were destroyed after reprint in their new legal format under the law. You'd probably have to inquire to the Hawaii Dept. of Public Health to find out. :shrug:

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So, then what were the 'original vital records on file' that the director of the DOH used to confirm that obama was born there? And, since she consulted the AG's office before she made the statement, why hasn't those document been made public under Hawaii statute 28-3?