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    Re: EPA shuts down one of the largest Coal Mines in U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Jobs vs. Environment. America must choose. You cant' have both.
    According to wikipedia:

    Environmental engineering is the application of science and engineering principles to improve the environment (air, water, and/or land resources), to provide healthy water, air, and land for human habitation and for other organisms, and to remediate polluted sites.

    The goal of environmental engineering is to ensure that societal development and the use of water, land and air resources are sustainable.

    Given that, where do you believe that this veto has gone wrong? come up with a legitimate reason. Why is the EPA incorrect? The job killing rhetoric is getting on my nerves. Do you realize that high amounts of salinity and selenium in streams has its costs as well? Have you taken that into consideration?

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    Re: EPA shuts down one of the largest Coal Mines in U.S.

    From the linked article winston53660 provided in post #4:

    Morgan Worldwide recommended an alternative that proposed to dump all of the waste rock and dirt into the Seng Camp area, eliminating proposed valley fills in two other areas, Pigeonroost Hollow and Oldhouse Branch. The recommended alternative would produce 2,300 tons of coal per foot of stream impact, compared to 930 tons of coal per foot of stream impacted under the company's proposal.


    Transporting the waste rock and dirt a longer distance to the Seng Camp area of the permit would cost the company an additional $1.5 million per year, Morgan's report found. That amounts to 55 cents per ton of coal, or about 1 percent of projected annual revenues at the operation, according to the report.
    In other words, even though the proposed althernative dump method outlined by Morgan Worldwide would have more than doubled the yield on coal production for Arch Coal, Inc., they would rather stick to their principles and be cheap than to eat into future potential earnings and pay the additional $1.5M a year to transport the waste rock and dirt from the mining operation. That's corporate creed at it's best, folks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Environmentalism kills jobs. Leftists must choose between environmentalism or social justice.
    How about stupidity and greed is what's killing these jobs and government is doing the responsible thing after offering viable alternatives that actually stood to turn a greater profit for the company only they would rather pinch pennies than drive the increased distance to off-load the debris in a safe and responsible way.
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    Re: EPA shuts down one of the largest Coal Mines in U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You be sure and let me know when that mine re-opens and go back into production. K?

    BTW, how many drilling permits have been issued since the moratorium ended? A grand total of two.
    I beleive this portion of the mine is not yet constructed. It is a proposed plan that the EPA shot down. So you should be saying, when will it go into production? Which, IMO it still eventaully will, however superior alternatives, perhaps more costly for the mine will have to be considered.

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    Re: EPA shuts down one of the largest Coal Mines in U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Jobs vs. Environment. America must choose. You cant' have both.
    Right, and you can't have industry safety standards and still make money.

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    Re: EPA shuts down one of the largest Coal Mines in U.S.

    Guys, you don't get it do you? Even if you are right about everything you are going to fail in creating the America you want. Why? The world has changed. American workers are now in direct competition with Chinese workers who are like young lions in their hunger to advance.

    The old America was wealthy enough to permit environmental sclerosis to sap the economy. The new America is simply living on the surplus capital created by the old America.

    You aren't fighting me. You're fighting the force of gravity. Do whatever you want. Let me give you a tip: if you want financial security invest overseas, and get a significant portion of your assets outside of this country. There's no telling what might happen.

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    Re: EPA shuts down one of the largest Coal Mines in U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Guys, you don't get it do you? Even if you are right about everything you are going to fail in creating the America you want. Why? The world has changed. American workers are now in direct competition with Chinese workers who are like young lions in their hunger to advance.

    The old America was wealthy enough to permit environmental sclerosis to sap the economy. The new America is simply living on the surplus capital created by the old America.

    You aren't fighting me. You're fighting the force of gravity. Do whatever you want. Let me give you a tip: if you want financial security invest overseas, and get a significant portion of your assets outside of this country. There's no telling what might happen.
    Whatever you say. Speaking of which, the US trade deficit has continued to roar back to life with our economic recovery. It seems china still has a ways to go.

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    Re: EPA shuts down one of the largest Coal Mines in U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Guys, you don't get it do you? Even if you are right about everything you are going to fail in creating the America you want. Why? The world has changed. American workers are now in direct competition with Chinese workers who are like young lions in their hunger to advance.

    The old America was wealthy enough to permit environmental sclerosis to sap the economy. The new America is simply living on the surplus capital created by the old America.

    You aren't fighting me. You're fighting the force of gravity. Do whatever you want. Let me give you a tip: if you want financial security invest overseas, and get a significant portion of your assets outside of this country. There's no telling what might happen.
    Ah, yes... the limited vision of the far-right.

    Wait, I already said that.

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    Re: EPA shuts down one of the largest Coal Mines in U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by drz-400 View Post
    Whatever you say. Speaking of which, the US trade deficit has continued to roar back to life with our economic recovery. It seems china still has a ways to go.
    America is paralyzed politically. Time isn't on America's side. It is on the side of people throughout the world who are capable of acting. The division between Left and Right in America means America will remain paralyzed. The Right can't beat the Left, but the Left can't beat the Right either. So I can guarantee you continued American paralysis. Ten years from now America will be weaker than it is today just as America is weaker now than it was ten years ago. Twenty years from now America will be even weaker than it will be in ten years. This is guaranteed because the divisions of the American people can't be bridged.

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    Re: EPA shuts down one of the largest Coal Mines in U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Ah, yes... the limited vision of the far-right.

    Wait, I already said that.
    Far right has nothing to do with this vision. The historical precedents are everywhere. Americans foolishly think they are exempt from the forces and processes of history. No one is exempt. America today is like France in 1780 or Qing China in 1880 or the Soviet Union in 1980.

    I love throwing this **** in your faces. The schadenfreude is overwhelming. The financial collapse stripped away America's disguise and the masquerade is now ending. The Great Reckoning is upon you.

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