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    Re: Armed bystander almost shot hero that disarmed AZ shooter

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    Re: Armed bystander almost shot hero that disarmed AZ shooter

    Man acted responsibly, so that means we need to take away everyones guns, news at 11.


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    Re: Armed bystander almost shot hero that disarmed AZ shooter

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    Re: Armed bystander almost shot hero that disarmed AZ shooter

    Guy doesn't do something.

    Clear evidence that that thing he didn't do must be stopped.
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    Re: Armed bystander almost shot hero that disarmed AZ shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Not at all, however I do believe arming everyone is complete nuts. I am not anti 2nd Amendment, I believe you have the right to protect yourself.
    The 2nd amendment is for more than just for hunting and protecting your home from burglars.

    But a 33 round Glock is insane.
    He could have had two glocks and I sure you 2nd amendment proponents would be saying "But two glocks is insane". So the extended magazine is a irrelelvent issue to you people, this tragedy is just an excuse for your people to **** all over the constitution.
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    Re: Armed bystander almost shot hero that disarmed AZ shooter

    Holy ****! Breaking news! An intelligent armed citizen responded to a chatoic scene and DIDNT so much as pull his weapon. He actually thought about what was needed and acted responsibly. And Liberals use his decision to NOT pull a weapon to further their own mindless biased politics.

    I wonder...if he had been a cop, do you suppose his weapon would have remained holstered?

    In other news...mindless myopic liberal moron creates yet another mindless thread to promote his mindless ideals...

    no...wait...he does it all the time...so I guess that part cant be considered news...scratch that...

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    Re: Armed bystander almost shot hero that disarmed AZ shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Good thing he showed some discipline. Yes? Sounds like a responsible gun owner, to me. Whatcha think?
    I think he was lucky. Had the others not identified themselves in time and indicated who the shooter was, he might have taken a shot and hurt or killed someone who was innocent. He didnt think, he over-thought and as a result he hesitated. The fact that he DIDN'T have better training saved lives. A truly proficient user of a weapon, any weapon, does not hesitate in it's use. He immediately identifies the most likely target and utilizes his weapon, he doesnt stop to wait for input from everyone else around him.

    This is an example of why I have a problem with civilians carrying weapons around. Several civilians WITHOUT weapons managed to subdue the shooter, unfortunately not until he'd taken several lives, but as I see it there are very rarely times involving an unstable person with a gun that ends ONLY with his death or capture unless law enforcement are involved.
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    Re: Armed bystander almost shot hero that disarmed AZ shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    I think he was lucky. Had the others not identified themselves in time and indicated who the shooter was, he might have taken a shot and hurt or killed someone who was innocent. He didnt think, he over-thought and as a result he hesitated. The fact that he DIDN'T have better training saved lives. A truly proficient user of a weapon, any weapon, does not hesitate in it's use. He immediately identifies the most likely target and utilizes his weapon, he doesnt stop to wait for input from everyone else around him.

    This is an example of why I have a problem with civilians carrying weapons around. Several civilians WITHOUT weapons managed to subdue the shooter, unfortunately not until he'd taken several lives, but as I see it there are very rarely times involving an unstable person with a gun that ends ONLY with his death or capture unless law enforcement are involved.

    Well gee... I think it just as likely that he could have saved six innocent lives if he had been right there with Giffords.
    Loughner comes up, shoots Giffords and the armed good guy shoots Loughner dead.
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    Re: Armed bystander almost shot hero that disarmed AZ shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Well gee... I think it just as likely that he could have saved six innocent lives if he had been right there with Giffords.
    Loughner comes up, shoots Giffords and the armed good guy shoots Loughner dead.
    It seems in almost every argument here at DP it is always the extreme vs the extreme.

    In this case it is the total outlaw of guns vs the desire to arm every citizen.
    I don't believe in outlaw of guns as I would be an outlaw then. I don't believe in arming every citizen because I have seen those same klutz citizens everyday just trying to maneuver a vehicle in traffic.

    With that said there is such a tendency for those to state if only I had been there with my concealed gun. For that to happen and for that person to be standing in such close proximity to the shooter to allow a safe shot is probably near 0.1% of happening. Afterall how many here have ever been at a mass shooting at anytime in their life with the exception of warfare?
    Guys who spend Saturdays at the public firing range want to say they could have stopped it but unless you are battle tested then you are as much am amateur as the boxer who only shadow boxes and has never climbed in the ring.

    We will never be 100% safe from an attacker whether it be by gun or razor utility knife. I think the only bright note is more citizens now may be willing to attack the perp such as most passengers on airplanes now.

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