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    Re: Armed bystander almost shot hero that disarmed AZ shooter

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    not always-

    teaching people to drive better is not grounds to ditch having insurance or wearing seatbelts
    I didn't say an ounce of prevention REPLACES cure. It's important to have both. However, prevention reduces the need for (but doesn't eliminate) cure. Using your example, for the most part, better drivers use insurance less often than worse drivers.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: Armed bystander almost shot hero that disarmed AZ shooter

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    treatment works with those who want it
    Some don't know that they want it until they are in it. I used to work at a substance abuse rehab. Never saw an addict ever come in wanting treatment. The reasons they came in were usually things like, "my spouse would leave me if I didn't" or "my job told me I had to or they'd fire me", or "it was either this or jail. I don't want to go to jail". Those that wanted treatment got that "want" during treatment. This is pretty common with a lot of different disorders. That's why getting them into treatment is the key.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
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    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Armed bystander almost shot hero that disarmed AZ shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I didn't say an ounce of prevention REPLACES cure. It's important to have both. However, prevention reduces the need for (but doesn't eliminate) cure. Using your example, for the most part, better drivers use insurance less often than worse drivers.
    true, I just don't see how we force those who don't want treatment to get it and those are the nutcases who cause most of the problems I see



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    Re: Armed bystander almost shot hero that disarmed AZ shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    true, I just don't see how we force those who don't want treatment to get it and those are the nutcases who cause most of the problems I see
    I agree it's difficult and I agree that it's the crazies who cause most of the problems, especially with guns. Here in NJ, they are closing two psychiatric facilities and placing those patients on a plan where they can live in the community. This is absurd to me. It was deemed a medical necessity for them to be in an institution... but then when the budget got cut, it is now OK for them to be living outside of a facility. Some of the things that it would require are societal changes. For example, the stigma of mental health issues needs to be eliminated. One reason I so respect Betty Ford is, because of what she did, it is FAR more OK for an addict to get into treatment. Also, mental health needs to be treated as a HEALTH issue, not as mental problems. Lots of folks don't know the difference between being sad and being clinically depressed and don't know that the latter is as debiliating as a broken leg, pneumonia, or paralysis. And, with this, there needs to be a lot more education on mental illness. We teach our kids and parents to recognize the signs of addiction, but teaching the signs of mental illness doesn't happen nearly as often. Acceptance, Parity, and Education (what I call my APE plan) is the first step towards this. People will be more likely to both seek help and point out those who NEED help, earlier if these things are in place.

    Also, we already have laws that handle commitments... for the seriously mentally ill. Some of these laws need to be tweaked a bit. In these cases, I lean more towards security than liberty, but that's from first hand knowledge of these issues. Lastly, budget cuts need to not touch mental health issues. There is more danger from a crazy abusing our rights than any other kind of individual. Imagine this. If we had no lunitics using guns inappropriately, gun-grabbers would have nothing to latch onto and could be laughed out of existence.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
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    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Armed bystander almost shot hero that disarmed AZ shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Ah. The "tit for tat" argument. You show'd him by posting just like him. So, how do you think that makes YOU look?
    Makes me look like I have a really good memory.
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    Re: Armed bystander almost shot hero that disarmed AZ shooter

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    Makes me look like I have a really good memory.
    Nah, makes you look just like him. I hope that's what you were going for.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Armed bystander almost shot hero that disarmed AZ shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Nah, makes you look just like him. I hope that's what you were going for.
    Oh, well that just hitting below the belt.
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    Re: Armed bystander almost shot hero that disarmed AZ shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Oh, well that just hitting below the belt.
    Teaches you something, a light swat sometimes will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Armed bystander almost shot hero that disarmed AZ shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Teaches you something, a light swat sometimes will.
    Reminds me of a sign I've seen that goes,"What would Yoda do? Your ass kick it he would."
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    Re: Armed bystander almost shot hero that disarmed AZ shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Reminds me of a sign I've seen that goes,"What would Yoda do? Your ass kick it he would."
    That's why, Yoda, I am.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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