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    Re: Armed bystander almost shot hero that disarmed AZ shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post

    As to deterrence, does anybody think Jared Lee Loughton was deterrable?
    Ask that same question of every lib that blame Palin and/or the TEA party for the shooting.
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    Re: Armed bystander almost shot hero that disarmed AZ shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Gun free zone? Arizona is one of the most, if not the most armed state in the union. You don't even need a permit to carry concealed in Arizona.

    As to deterrence, does anybody think Jared Lee Loughton was deterrable?
    As long as fruitcakes are running around and law enforcement isn't able to protect us--as the Pima County sheriff's department so vividly illustrated--I have the right to protect myself.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Armed bystander almost shot hero that disarmed AZ shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Ask that same question of every lib that blame Palin and/or the TEA party for the shooting.
    Yes rather than answer the question throw up some partisan bull**** that adds nothing to the conversation or really the value of anything at all.

    Its a good point, was the shooter deterrable? Probably not, doesn't mean I think any less of our current gun laws its just reality.

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    Re: Armed bystander almost shot hero that disarmed AZ shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    You're opposed to it - so you're part of *that particular* problem.
    not at all, I am merely realistic-I understand privacy rights inside and out



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    Re: Armed bystander almost shot hero that disarmed AZ shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Just wondering is there still any confusion on what I was saying on page one about the dangers of not rightly identifying your target before you fire? And how what I'm saying is part of being an educated and responsible gun owner and nothing political?
    That is generally one of the very first lessons anyone trained in the proper use of a firearm is taught -- aside from the fact that it's also common sense. From the OP, I get the sense that the guy coming from walgreens did the right and responsible thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Obviously I don't oppose PROTECTING yourself or being adequately armed or trained to handle said situations - I think it's very important, in fact. But at the same time so is PREVENTION and INTERVENTION altogether.
    I agree.

    I'd have had no problem with tossing this guy into the bin; I do have a problem with tossing this guy into a facility as a solution in lieu of allowing people to carry weapons. Both are good solutions...carrying guns the better one, IMO, because no matter how many unstable people you pin down there will always be others ready to commit atrocities, unstable or not.

    Problem is, many of those seeking solutions consider the infringing of the peoples' right to carry guns to be a solution right up there with putting folks in institutions. That is naive.

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    Re: Armed bystander almost shot hero that disarmed AZ shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    not at all, I am merely realistic-I understand privacy rights inside and out
    I support personal rights. And I always ALWAYS say that when rights clash the superior right in the situation trumps the other right.

    Loughner's right to privacy VS 6 people's right to life.
    Hmm - gee - which one do I think is REASONABLE to violate?
    Yep - Loughner's.

    Look - the Supreme court has already set up various tests and measures to determine which rights are limited . . . and a right to privacy is one of those.

    Yep - that means that rights actually have limits.

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    Re: Armed bystander almost shot hero that disarmed AZ shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Yes rather than answer the question throw up some partisan bull**** that adds nothing to the conversation or really the value of anything at all.

    Its a good point, was the shooter deterrable? Probably not, doesn't mean I think any less of our current gun laws its just reality.
    As I recall, that poster was quick to jump on the anti Palin/TEA Party bandwagon (until the wheels fell off), and now he's suggesting that the shooter was not deterrable. Where was that question before?
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    Re: Armed bystander almost shot hero that disarmed AZ shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Yes rather than answer the question throw up some partisan bull**** that adds nothing to the conversation or really the value of anything at all.

    Its a good point, was the shooter deterrable? Probably not, doesn't mean I think any less of our current gun laws its just reality.
    It's kind of hard to kill someone when you're in a straight jacket. I'm sure Hannibal Lecter had a trick to his trade - but Loughner? No.

    The only reason why Loughner was ABLE to go off was because every single person who encountered him and SAW he was a threat did nothing.

    Dupnik = nothing
    Parents = nothing
    Psychiatrist = nothing
    Friends = nothing
    Teachers = nothing

    Some have said *in interviews post the shooting* that "we knew he was capable of doing something like this" - but did = nothing.
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    Re: Armed bystander almost shot hero that disarmed AZ shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    It's kind of hard to kill someone when you're in a straight jacket. I'm sure Hannibal Lecter had a trick to his trade - but Loughner? No.

    The only reason why Loughner was ABLE to go off was because every single person who encountered him and SAW he was a threat did nothing.

    Dupnik = nothing
    Parents = nothing
    Psychiatrist = nothing
    Friends = nothing
    Teachers = nothing

    Some have said *in interviews post the shooting* that "we knew he was capable of doing something like this" - but did = nothing.
    I agree, I just meant that in the shooter's head the possibility that people at this event may have weapons didn't deter his actions. I'm on you're side here

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    Re: Armed bystander almost shot hero that disarmed AZ shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Mad Cow the muffin munchin marxist!
    I'm going to put you on my ignore list. I'm really tired of the grade school lack of maturity you display with not much to contribute. There is no way in hell you are really an attorney. Your posts are nothing like any attorney I know. Come on admit it. Daddy is one ore you're living in a schizoid world like the shooter.

    Done!

    Maybe if enough of us do you'll go back up to your room.
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