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    Re: Armed bystander almost shot hero that disarmed AZ shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    yeah that' like saying it would be nice if one didn't have to wear a condom either or buy auto insurance

    utopian nonsense
    No one is suggesting its possible to make the world entirely safe, but I don't think its "utopian nonsense" to suggest there could be ways decrease the need and number occurances where individuals have to defend themselves with personal weapons, without decreasing the rights of individuals to own personal weapons. Specifically in this case, was there something leading up to this where this guy could have been found out as the mental case he was and thus eliminate that future threat, in this case occurance, of a shooting.

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    Re: Armed bystander almost shot hero that disarmed AZ shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    No one is suggesting its possible to make the world entirely safe, but I don't think its "utopian nonsense" to suggest there could be ways decrease the need and number occurances where individuals have to defend themselves with personal weapons, without decreasing the rights of individuals to own personal weapons. Specifically in this case, was there something leading up to this where this guy could have been found out as the mental case he was and thus eliminate that future threat, in this case occurance, of a shooting.
    you deal with that

    I will deal with threats in the manner I have been trained



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    Re: Armed bystander almost shot hero that disarmed AZ shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you deal with that

    I will deal with threats in the manner I have been trained
    Ok rambo.

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    Re: Armed bystander almost shot hero that disarmed AZ shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    yeah that' like saying it would be nice if one didn't have to wear a condom either or buy auto insurance

    utopian nonsense

    Tell that to the dead 6 people - would it have been nonsense to them if this insane ****er was where he belonged? IN A facility? Point blank - he shouldn't have been out and about. It's obvious from the years of **** stacked up in his corner. He should have been seen as a threat and put away (yes?)

    It's not nonsense if it might solve a problem or save a life.

    Wouldn't they prefer to be alive right now?

    Isn't it better to be a living optimist than a dead pessimist.

    Obviously I don't oppose PROTECTING yourself or being adequately armed or trained to handle said situations - I think it's very important, in fact. But at the same time so is PREVENTION and INTERVENTION altogether.
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    Re: Armed bystander almost shot hero that disarmed AZ shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Ok rambo.
    you can demand better healthcare for nuts

    good luck with trusting your safety to that



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    Re: Armed bystander almost shot hero that disarmed AZ shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Tell that to the dead 6 people - would it have been nonsense to them if this insane ****er was where he belonged? IN A facility?

    It's not nonsense if it might solve a problem or save a life.

    Wouldn't they prefer to be alive right now?

    Isn't it better to be a living optimist than a dead pessimist.

    Obviously I don't oppose PROTECTING yourself or being adequately armed or trained to handle said situations - I think it's very important, in fact. But at the same time so is PREVENTION and INTERVENTION altogether.
    People being armed and trained is possible

    reforming mental health care-good luck with that

    privacy concerns will always be a major obstacle



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    Re: Armed bystander almost shot hero that disarmed AZ shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you can demand better healthcare for nuts

    good luck with trusting your safety to that
    Well - what would happen if you weren't *there.*
    Where was Christina's father? Surely he wasn't with his daughter ready to protect her.

    The nutjobs don't belong out there buying guns and leveling crowds of people.

    Surely you agree - you're just defensive because you think we're telling you that being able to protect yourself is bad, when it's not.

    But I'd much rather you *be quite capable of* protecting yourself but never *have to do it*

    If the ****wad sherrif and his stupid ****ing parents did THEIR jobs then 6 people would be alive right now.
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    Re: Armed bystander almost shot hero that disarmed AZ shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    People being armed and trained is possible

    reforming mental health care-good luck with that

    privacy concerns will always be a major obstacle
    You're opposed to it - so you're part of *that particular* problem.
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    Re: Armed bystander almost shot hero that disarmed AZ shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you can demand better healthcare for nuts

    good luck with trusting your safety to that
    Why do you always have to see things in such absolutes? If I think prevention can be done, it must mean I think its the only thing that should be done, I'm putting all my eggs in that basket, and I'm walking around unarmed in a bunny down a dark alley, is that right? No we can do both, arm and educate ourselves, and using other means to help reduce the amount of times we have to use our arms personally.

    I'm not trusting my safety to that, but I do believe it it'll help my safety, which is why I still own a weapon myself mr. 'highly trained pistol expert.'

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    Re: Armed bystander almost shot hero that disarmed AZ shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    How many masss shooting occur in gun free zones? I think you're forgetting the deterence factor. Do these nutjobs walk into a biker bar and shoot the place up? What about a police station? Or, anywhere else where the victims are likely to be armed and ready to shoot back?
    Gun free zone? Arizona is one of the most, if not the most armed state in the union. You don't even need a permit to carry concealed in Arizona.

    As to deterrence, does anybody think Jared Lee Loughton was deterrable?
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