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    Re: Armed bystander almost shot hero that disarmed AZ shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Regardless of what point he's trying to make its a undeniable reality that having a fire arm can make a case of mistaken identity extremely more consequential.
    And being there a minute earlier he could have used that fire arm to shoot the nutjob and it might have only been a couple of people shot. It seems the OP as well as the OP's link are trying to use a story of a gun owner exercising control to fuel some anti-2nd amendment agenda.
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    Re: Armed bystander almost shot hero that disarmed AZ shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Regardless of what point he's trying to make its a undeniable reality that having a fire arm can make a case of mistaken identity extremely more consequential.
    here's an example of a human with free will showing that he is able to make a judgement that shooting someone isn't required and decided not to shoot anyone. so you try to use it as an example of how it's dangerous for law abiding, free thinking individuals to be armed.

    -1 to this guy's credibility.
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    Re: Armed bystander almost shot hero that disarmed AZ shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    How many masss shooting occur in gun free zones? I think you're forgetting the deterence factor. Do these nutjobs walk into a biker bar and shoot the place up? What about a police station? Or, anywhere else where the victims are likely to be armed and ready to shoot back?
    That's not really my point. My point is simply that not having positive identification can lead to unintended consequences, I'm not trying to say anything biased or political about weapons, I'm only trying to speak the truth. I'm from Arizona, I own a weapon, and I love my state's gun laws and culture.

    None of that, including wherever you are, changes the fact that a man with a firearm can do just as good as harm, either intentionally or unintentionally.

    We're both Soldiers, I'm just talking about the importance of positive identification of the enemy and the possible things that can go wrong if its not achieved.

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    Re: Armed bystander almost shot hero that disarmed AZ shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyroh View Post
    here's an example of a human with free will showing that he is able to make a judgement that shooting someone isn't required and decided not to shoot anyone. so you try to use it as an example of how it's dangerous for law abiding, free thinking individuals to be armed.

    -1 to this guy's credibility.
    See my post right below yours, I'm not trying to do anything political here.

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    Re: Armed bystander almost shot hero that disarmed AZ shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    And being there a minute earlier he could have used that fire arm to shoot the nutjob and it might have only been a couple of people shot. It seems the OP as well as the OP's link are trying to use a story of a gun owner exercising control to fuel some anti-2nd amendment agenda.
    The link certainly is, but I'm not.

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    Re: Armed bystander almost shot hero that disarmed AZ shooter

    He had the wrong weapon. He should have had a knife handy. A knife doesn't riochet.

    I think some of the Barney Fifes here would have gotten so excited they would have been shooting like a sprinkler. This kid knew he didn't need to shoot at someone already on the ground with several wrestling with him. It was pretty obvious.

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    Re: Armed bystander almost shot hero that disarmed AZ shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    I hear nothing but crickets out there.
    that's because one incident hardly destroys anything. the anti gun lesbian loon is just full of it



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    Re: Armed bystander almost shot hero that disarmed AZ shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    That's not really my point. My point is simply that not having positive identification can lead to unintended consequences, I'm not trying to say anything biased or political about weapons, I'm only trying to speak the truth. I'm from Arizona, I own a weapon, and I love my state's gun laws and culture.

    None of that, including wherever you are, changes the fact that a man with a firearm can do just as good as harm, either intentionally or unintentionally.

    We're both Soldiers, I'm just talking about the importance of positive identification of the enemy and the possible things that can go wrong if its not achieved.
    you guys have a better argument for disarming cops

    do some research and find out which group misses the bad guys more and hits more innocents

    cops or armed citizens?



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    Re: Armed bystander almost shot hero that disarmed AZ shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that's because one incident hardly destroys anything. the anti gun lesbian loon is just full of it
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    Re: Armed bystander almost shot hero that disarmed AZ shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Regardless of what point he's trying to make its a undeniable reality that having a fire arm can make a case of mistaken identity extremely more consequential.
    and not having a firearm can lead to massive deaths

    such as Fort Hood among others



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