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    Re: Freedom in decline worldwide: US report

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    When Carter was in office the despots expanded their reign about the world. I think the following sums it up well.
    Oh? where exactly? Give us some examples then... I dare you.
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    Re: Freedom in decline worldwide: US report

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    These two sentences contradict each other. If Hussein was a despot, Reagan didn't do jack **** to decrease despots. He helped them.
    Yes they do..

    In fact dear Reagan was instrumental in keeping depots around the world in power. He saved Saddam's ass against the Iranians by feeding Saddam intel and weapons tech to help keep the war at a stalemate and not a defeat. Reagan was also in control when South Korea had yet another coup in which another dictator took over.. oh and yes the US had even troops in the country. The US also backed various right wing dictators through out central and south America.. Pinochet for one.
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    Re: Freedom in decline worldwide: US report

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Freedom is decreasing, even here. We give into fear everwhere. We have to fear the terrorists, we have to fear the guns, we have to fear the pedophile, we have to fear the drugs. Fear fear fear fear. And each time we give into fear, we lose. We lose choice, we lose freedom, we lose independence. Yet each party has some fear that it wants to sell us. The War on Iraq was sold on nothing more than fear. And the new gun laws that will be introduced now because of that AZ shooting will be sold to us on fear. I don't see this changing. You want to say freedom is decreasing, well of course it is. Freedom doesn't keep itself, you have to work for it to maintain it. Expend energy to proliferate it. At some point, we're going to have to grow up and understand that while there are scary things out there, we don't need to overreact and being curtailing our liberties because of it.
    Today there is talk of bringing the fairness doctrine back. There is talk of toning down the rhetoric. All things brought about by a shooting that had nothing to do with political discourse, or anything done by the right. Yet immediatly they were blamed and still no apologies.

    Please, everyone look at this link and tell me if this is worse than any Hitler mustache on Obama or any guy saying "you're dead" to a tea party leader. Yet none in the link were ever arrested and to my knowledge Bush is still alive and no violence occured due to the viciousness of the signs these protesters carried. Again, please look at them and then tell me Sarah Palin spreads hate and violence with her Don't retreat, reload! and her crosshairs map.
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    Re: Freedom in decline worldwide: US report

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Today there is talk of bringing the fairness doctrine back. There is talk of toning down the rhetoric. All things brought about by a shooting that had nothing to do with political discourse, or anything done by the right. Yet immediatly they were blamed and still no apologies.

    Please, everyone look at this link and tell me if this is worse than any Hitler mustache on Obama or any guy saying "you're dead" to a tea party leader. Yet none in the link were ever arrested and to my knowledge Bush is still alive and no violence occured due to the viciousness of the signs these protesters carried. Again, please look at them and then tell me Sarah Palin spreads hate and violence with her Don't retreat, reload! and her crosshairs map.
    We must fight to keep our freedom of speech, even if it protects the rights of those we find repulsive.

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    Barb, one guy in congress has called for a return of the fairness doctrine. It is not going to happen. You all bring it up more here on the boards than the dems do across the country.
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    Re: Freedom in decline worldwide: US report

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    Is this intended to be a sign of increasing repression?
    just an individual case. since the Obama administration made clear to the Chinese that 'human rights were going to be on the back burner', the ChiComs have had free reign; which they have abused.

    the last nation to imprison their nobel peace prize winner and then create their own prize was a central European one back in the 1930's.

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    Re: Freedom in decline worldwide: US report

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Yes they do..

    In fact dear Reagan was instrumental in keeping depots around the world in power. He saved Saddam's ass against the Iranians by feeding Saddam intel and weapons tech to help keep the war at a stalemate and not a defeat. Reagan was also in control when South Korea had yet another coup in which another dictator took over.. oh and yes the US had even troops in the country. The US also backed various right wing dictators through out central and south America.. Pinochet for one.
    care to guess what the percentage of South and Central Americans who lived under representative government in the late 70's v the late 80's was?

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    Re: Freedom in decline worldwide: US report

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    Considering they reiterate the bizarrely annual claim that repression is growing in China I do not care much for what they have to say.
    What is so bizarre about stating the simple truth? Oh, that's right... mister ChiCom lover coming again to defend anything and everything about the thugs in Beijing...
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    Re: Freedom in decline worldwide: US report

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    Is this intended to be a sign of increasing repression? That seems to be how these organizations play it. They focus on individual cases and ignore the big picture.
    Liu Xiaobo? Increased persecution of Falun Gong and Christians, among others... the Great Firewall of China... imprisonment of attorneys seeking compensation for the Wenchuan earthquake victims... and it goes on and on...
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    Re: Freedom in decline worldwide: US report

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Liu Xiaobo? Increased persecution of Falun Gong and Christians, among others... the Great Firewall of China... imprisonment of attorneys seeking compensation for the Wenchuan earthquake victims... and it goes on and on...
    You are talking about things that have been going on for a long time. There is no increase at all. People like you just prefer to ignore all the progress and focus on select cases to try and distort reality.
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    Re: Freedom in decline worldwide: US report

    and have been ramped up; Liu Xiaobo being kept from accepting a Nobel Peace Prize wouldn't have happened in 2003.

    the Chinese regime (and I don't think many people see this) is fundamentally weak, and slowly cracking. as it cracks, it will resort to increased repression to shore itself up. up until it reaches a zenith of opposition and repression; which will be a very dangerous moment indeed.

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