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    Re: Death Threats Against Sarah Palin at 'Unprecedented Level,' Aides Say

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Ahh, thank you. An actual quote. And lets see what the quote is...



    Well my god, that is clearly her stating that we should use second amendment remedies as a "solution".

    ....wait, no its the exact opposite of that. Its her saying she hopes that the citizenry, because if you'll note she's speaking in far larger terms and scopes than a single individual acting, does not reach the point that they start acting upon "second amendment remedies".

    Now...call me crazy, but I'm not aware when the English language completely changed in meaning where suggesting that you hope something doesn't happen equates to suggesting that it SHOULD happen.

    The only way someone could think she's actually legitimately advocating for people to start shooting government officials would be for them to be crazy enough to ignore context, take notions literal, AND think she's suggesting the government IS tyrannical.

    The same could be said for comments suggesting that Sarah Palin created an atmosphere that helped cause the congresswomans death. Someone could hear that and rather than taking it in context (say, for instance, the person wasn't meaning Palin was LITERALLy responsible) believe that Sarah Palin is complicite in the murder of a federal judge and congresswomen and thus is guilty of a high crime against the country and action should be taken again her.

    Essentially....crazy people could look at hateful rhetoric and think crazy things and possibly do a crazy thing. That doesn't mean what the crazy person took it as is actually what was said or advocated for, at all.

    Stating you hope we don't reach a point in this country where citizens start shooting government officials is not the same as suggesting that shooting government officials is a solution people should take to political problems.
    it's amazing that you believe her words weren't designed to impassion her base, and they were merely the worried musings of a concerned woman. ask yourself, why would she even be concerned that "second amendment remedies" would occur? in fact, she blatantly stated that a loss by harry reid would relieve those worries, didn't she? really, wtf did THAT mean? she's bat **** nuts. i don't blame her for actions others might take, but it's dishonest to pretend her words don't arouse emotions.

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    Re: Death Threats Against Sarah Palin at 'Unprecedented Level,' Aides Say

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    My own S.A.T score was 1460 taken in 1972 before it was changed to make the acheivement of higher scores easier. At that time, the score was high enough to place me well within the top 1/10th of 1 % of all those taking it, and was good enough to get me accepted to Stanford.

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    Ah, then you should understand the type of analogy I was using in my original post. Excellent. I was confused by your impression that I was suggesting you were a criminal since I thought the analogy was rather obvious, but perhaps it was a minor slip. As to your credentials of your SAT scores or your college you went to; to be frank, I don't give a **** what some random guy on the internet wishes to say his intelligence or his education is. Its irrelevant to me, nor this discussion. If you wish to pound your chest, feel free. I'd rather continue to focus on the conversation and peoples on topic responses or counters to my arguments regarding the conversations, such as your attempt to suggest that my argument of hypocrisy was off base by trying to call to question my ability to do such, which was clearly refuted.

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    Re: Death Threats Against Sarah Palin at 'Unprecedented Level,' Aides Say

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    it's amazing that you believe her words weren't designed to impassion her base, and they were merely the worried musings of a concerned woman.
    Oh, I'm sure her words as a whole were meant to impassion her base. I think Barack Obama's words about bringing a gun to a knife fight and because he's heard philedelphians like a good brawl were meant to impassion his base as well. I don't think his words were literally suggesting that they should bring guns to political arguments or that they need to literally brawl with their opponents, just like I don't think Angle was suggesting to her supporters that they needed to actively collectively use their second amendment currently to "Defend" themselves against Tyranny.

    There's a LARGE difference between impassioning ones base and suggesting things that are the opposite of what you've stated or meaning your words literally.

    ask yourself, why would she even be concerned that "second amendment remedies" would occur?
    Because the person asked her a question about her beliefs of what the second amendment believes. She gave that answer by pointing out her belief that the second amendment is for the citizens, and was put there by the founders to give citizens the ability to fight back and protect themselves against a tyrannical government.

    This is an entirely legitimate and reasonable position to have imho, and historically backable.

    However, if you make a statement like that, it begs for misinterprtation. As if by advocating for strong support of the second amendment, and believing that was the purpose of the second amendment, that you are therefore advocating for that to happen.

    So when the person who was interviewing her tried to actually make it about TODAY rather than simply theoritical, Angle made it a point to suggest that no, she hopes its NOT something that is necessary in todays society.

    in fact, she blatantly stated that a loss by harry reid would relieve those worries, didn't she? really, wtf did THAT mean? she's bat **** nuts. i don't blame her for actions others might take, but it's dishonest to pretend her words don't arouse emotions.
    Worries that Reid and others in the democrat party had been pushing for some time that somehow the Tea Party movement's rhetoric was causing "violence". If I remember correctly that comment came after the town halls and other such things when the accusations of such things really started heating up on the left.

    Was it stupid to say it in the way she said it? Absolutely. Was her entire statement supposed to rouse emotions? Well...duh...anytime a politician speaks there's a 95% chance that its being done in a way that's hoping to rouse emotions. Was it literally advocating that "second amendment remedies" was a "solution" for our current modern political situation? Not unless you stretch it to an absolute extreme and add context based on nothing but ones own bias, dislike, or belief that the woman is "bat **** crazy".

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    Re: Death Threats Against Sarah Palin at 'Unprecedented Level,' Aides Say

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Ah, then you should understand the type of analogy I was using in my original post. Excellent. I was confused by your impression that I was suggesting you were a criminal since I thought the analogy was rather obvious, but perhaps it was a minor slip. As to your credentials of your SAT scores or your college you went to; to be frank, I don't give a **** what some random guy on the internet wishes to say his intelligence or his education is. Its irrelevant to me, nor this discussion. If you wish to pound your chest, feel free. I'd rather continue to focus on the conversation and peoples on topic responses or counters to my arguments regarding the conversations, such as your attempt to suggest that my argument of hypocrisy was off base by trying to call to question my ability to do such, which was clearly refuted.
    I understood what you were doing.

    and I also understand the nature of your sophistry by way of defending it.
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    Re: Death Threats Against Sarah Palin at 'Unprecedented Level,' Aides Say

    Here's a copy of the (removed already) youtube of the twitters hoping, wishing and praying either Palin getting Cancer or getting shot.

    WARNING: NSFW due to language written in the tweets.


    Far Left Goes On a Sarah Palin Death Wish Frenzy – The Video YouTube Pulled | The Gateway Pundit


    The best comment sums that video up:


    #21 January 13, 2011 at 10:24 am
    Jack commented:

    Copy the video an insert “Obama” everywhere “Palin” appears, and this same video will air on all the networks for weeks.
    How true is THAT comment!! There'd be riots in the streets, huge racists outcry's, the Secret Service and FBI being mobilized... it would almost be unfathomable. But since it's Palin... not a squeek about it.
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    Re: Death Threats Against Sarah Palin at 'Unprecedented Level,' Aides Say

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Here's a copy of the (removed already) youtube of the twitters hoping, wishing and praying either Palin getting Cancer or getting shot.

    WARNING: NSFW due to language written in the tweets.


    Far Left Goes On a Sarah Palin Death Wish Frenzy – The Video YouTube Pulled | The Gateway Pundit


    The best comment sums that video up:




    How true is THAT comment!! There'd be riots in the streets, huge racists outcry's, the Secret Service and FBI being mobilized... it would almost be unfathomable. But since it's Palin... not a squeek about it.
    I was actually watching the blood libel trend and the Sarah Palin trend pretty closely last night. Granted, there were some comments like that but they were fairly few and far between. Most of the tweets I saw were humor-based.

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    Re: Death Threats Against Sarah Palin at 'Unprecedented Level,' Aides Say

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Hateful rhetoric inspires dangerous situations and atmospheres.

    Hateful rhetoric by palin can get a congresswoman shot.

    However, baseless comments regarding Palins culpability with regards to the tragedy in Arizona are perfectly okay.

    I guess the left has a monopoly on defining "hateful rhetoric" and "dangerous atmosphere" so that it only applies when its not referencing their own speech.

    I don't think the lefts rhetoric as a whole is "responsible" for her increased death threats, but I do find it hillariously hypocritical that they're sitting around condemning "hateful rhetoric" based off the tragedy in Arizona with no proof it had anything to do with it while now dismissing that they're doing so with hateful rhetoric could just as easily be linked with creating a "violent atmosphere" themselves.

    We must change the tone in this country!......by everyone on the right, we can keep being hateful.
    The Left wants to define everything: what's racists, bigotted, sexist, hateful.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Death Threats Against Sarah Palin at 'Unprecedented Level,' Aides Say

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    I um, thought all conservatives were too busy explaining how inflammatory rhetoric was never partly responsible for crazy people doing violence. Too busy, that is, to be involved in threads where they would be claiming that what people say have consequences, some times dire ones. So, I would just be wondering what conservatives might be doing in this thread.
    Point out leftwing hypocracy here. Your President even agrees that the rhetoric didn't cause the shooting. When your messiah speaks, you'd better listen.
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    Re: Death Threats Against Sarah Palin at 'Unprecedented Level,' Aides Say

    Quote Originally Posted by Solace View Post
    *sigh* It's not like anyone is going to kill her though.
    wow...you need help.

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    Re: Death Threats Against Sarah Palin at 'Unprecedented Level,' Aides Say

    Palin is dying politically, so I have doubts that anyone would want to kill her. The left loves her, she garners more votes for the DEMS than any democrat campaigner does.
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