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    Re: This sums up today's youth

    Actually they did.

    Tresspassing, assuming they were not club members.
    Public disorderly conduct: initiating a confrontation through asshat behavior.
    Assault: the punk pushed the old man first.

    So yeah, they could be guilty of various crimes.

    The old guy didn't HIT the punk with the club... but he probably could have. He was just scaring him off.
    I was arguing against Mr V's attitude that deadly assault is okay against "punks" because they don't have rights. Morally, the kids were out of line and they deserved to have their RC car smashed. If the old guys had shoved the kids around a bit, no big deal, but you don't swing a club against an unarmed guy. As far as your charges go, they don't hold water except possibly the trespassing charge. The smashing of the car started the confrontation, and while justified, it it still isn't legal. If you want that lame-ass excuse for a push to qualify as assault, that swing is going to be a lot worse.

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    Re: This sums up today's youth

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Punks aren't people. They are punks. And punks, gt hammered. After a hammering, most learn and BECOME people. Those that don't, or are denied such a hammering because "oh they have rights" end up in prison.
    I have a feeling that the justice system wouldn't see it that way.

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    Re: This sums up today's youth

    I agree that it was mildly humorous until the kids got all pissy about their little RC car getting smashed. It's cause and effect. If you do something like that, you should expect that your little toy will be destroyed.

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    Re: This sums up today's youth

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    I was arguing against Mr V's attitude that deadly assault is okay against "punks" because they don't have rights. Morally, the kids were out of line and they deserved to have their RC car smashed. If the old guys had shoved the kids around a bit, no big deal, but you don't swing a club against an unarmed guy. As far as your charges go, they don't hold water except possibly the trespassing charge. The smashing of the car started the confrontation, and while justified, it it still isn't legal. If you want that lame-ass excuse for a push to qualify as assault, that swing is going to be a lot worse.
    See folks, people just damned dishonest. Wherein did i say DEADLY FORCE? No where.
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    Re: This sums up today's youth

    Kids shouldn't have done it, old guys shouldn't have smashed it, old guys DEFINITELY shouldn't have taken a swing at them then chased them around waving a golf club.

    Given the last action, I rule on the side of the kids, although they should get some s*** too.

    I don't know where you've been for the past hundred years, kids have been doing this kind of thing for YEARS (messing around). It's by no means a modern thing. It's actually quite disturbing that people think my generation are a bunch of evil punks. At worst we're couch potatos.

    At least the kids got off Facebook for a while and breathed some fresh air if you want to complain about this generation then claim about the state of the music world. It's a corporate waterhole now, whereas it used to mean something.
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    Re: This sums up today's youth

    He swung at him with a golf club, that's what makes the elderly gentlemen worse than the teens.

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    Re: This sums up today's youth

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Actually they did.

    Tresspassing, assuming they were not club members.
    Public disorderly conduct: initiating a confrontation through asshat behavior.
    Assault: the punk pushed the old man first.

    So yeah, they could be guilty of various crimes.

    The old guy didn't HIT the punk with the club... but he probably could have. He was just scaring him off.
    It looked like a public golf course, as you can see it isn't fenced up or anything, and it's right off the main road in the video.

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    Re: This sums up today's youth

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    See folks, people just damned dishonest. Wherein did i say DEADLY FORCE? No where.
    The elderly gentleman looked as though he swung relatively hard. If he hit him right, and hard enough, he could have killed him quite easily.

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    Re: This sums up today's youth

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    I was arguing against Mr V's attitude that deadly assault is okay against "punks" because they don't have rights. Morally, the kids were out of line and they deserved to have their RC car smashed. If the old guys had shoved the kids around a bit, no big deal, but you don't swing a club against an unarmed guy. As far as your charges go, they don't hold water except possibly the trespassing charge. The smashing of the car started the confrontation, and while justified, it it still isn't legal. If you want that lame-ass excuse for a push to qualify as assault, that swing is going to be a lot worse.

    Actually, pushing someone with hostile intent could be battery, instead of assault. Assault is any physical posturing that puts another person in fear of attack, like balling up a fist and stepping within range, whether an actual swing follows or not. IF someone does that, you can deck them right there... you don't have to wait for the actual swing, they've already committed "assault".

    If this went to court, probably the old man and the punk would be charged with assault and probably other things. The old man will probably claim self-defense, because the punk pushed him first and got in his face with a demonstration of hostile verbage and body language.

    Which way it would go is hard to say. The old man might be held justified in using the golf club because of the age difference: young and strong vs old and relatively fragile. That is often the case... its why women often are held justified in using a weapon against an unarmed male attacker.

    The pursuit of the punk by the old man would be the worst aspect against him, as it would be considered going beyond self-defense.

    IMO the odds are the punk would be convicted of assault and public-disorderly or tresspass. The old man would probably be convicted of assault as well, mainly because of chasing the young man.

    That's my semi-professional analysis.

    On the whole, though, my sympathies are with the old golfers. They were minding their own business.

    As I said, though, if it had been me I probably would have laughed it off and told them to go play in traffic.

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    Re: This sums up today's youth

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    So some kids being idiots, and moving a golf ball 8 feet is cause for the guy to take a swing at them with a golf club? Yeah, I don't think so. What the kids did was stupid, but if that guy made contact, he could be facing jail time.
    How old are you? You seem as though you're the same age as the punks.
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