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Jared Loughner, Alleged Shooter in Gabrielle Giffords Attack, Described by Classmate

Re: Communism + National Socialism = Jared Loughner

MrVicchio said:
Only a few hyper-partisans are saying that, and the entire forum mocks you for it.
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I am not partisan, but I would say this individual's views seem to be consistent with the Old Right and that is largely what the Tea Party is about, though it is particularly more in tune with the views of people like Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan. Having been a Ron Paul supporter the kind of things being said by this individual have a familiar ring. Certainly there was a small group of Ron Paul supporters who envisioned the use of violence to resist what they saw as being an authoritarian expansion of government. Such voices were relatively small, but I think it indicates more where this individual's views come from.
 
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Demon of Light said:
I am not partisan, but I would say this individual's views seem to be consistent with the Old Right and that is largely what the Tea Party is about, though it is particularly more in tune with the views of people like Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan. Having been a Ron Paul supporter the kind of things being said by this individual have a familiar ring. Certainly there was a small group of Ron Paul supporters who envisioned the use of violence to resist what they saw as being an authoritarian expansion of government. Such voices were relatively small, but I think it indicates more where this individual's views come from.
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Then you are obviously not reading his rants, just taking what you want to see out of it. Dude is bat **** insane.
 
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MrVicchio said:
Then you are obviously not reading his rants, just taking what you want to see out of it. Dude is bat **** insane.
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What, you mean you conservatives don't typically believe in government mind-control via grammar? :D
 
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Deuce said:
What, you mean you conservatives don't typically believe in government mind-control via grammar? :D
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I thought it was mind-control via LSD.... or was that the democrats?

Darn hippies.
 
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You know who these rants creepily remind me of?

exvirgin said:
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If you search for connectivity,
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If you search for transformability,
you will find it everywhere in everything!

If you search for substitutability,
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cells, organelles, tissues, organs, guilds, words, numbers, equations, instruments, and other entities!

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cells, organelles, tissues, organs, guilds, words, numbers, equations, instruments, and other entities!

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human knowledge. The universal laws of nature will continue to exist until the universe becomes nothing.

What will you do if nothing has divisibility, comparability, connectivity, sensitivity, transformability, substitutability,
and satisfiability?

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substitutability, and satisfiability?

The nature of anything can be known from the universal laws of nature!
Oh, beloved men and women,
You will never know anything whose nature cannot be known from the universal laws of nature!
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MrVicchio said:
Then you are obviously not reading his rants, just taking what you want to see out of it. Dude is bat **** insane.
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No one was arguing about whether he was sane or not. Being insane is not the same as being apolitical. I am not taking what I "want to see" out of it as I generally have a greater affinity for the Ron Paul libertarians than our major political ideologies. Rather, I am simply seeing what is there.
 
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Demon of Light said:
Nazi is short for National Socialist German Worker's Party. While National Socialism rejects communism it does have its origins in left-wing ideology.
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yes, and East Germany was the "German Democratic Republic." The name means nothing.

Sorry, a little history read is in order for you. Nazi Germany was a form of fascism, which political science 101 will teach you is an extreme form of the thinking of the political right. Remember, among the first rounded up and sent to concentration camps in Germany were the liberals. I don't think it was meant to create a concentrated liberal power base.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Germany (Note State Ideology)

This guy (The Arizona shooter) was a wack-a-do. Trying to ascribe some type of coherent political philosophy to him is an exercise in futility. Then trying to suggest that he fits into a traditional political camp whom you can blame for this shooting is just plain silliness.

That said, it does not mean that general political discourse may have had a role telling him that its OK or even patriotic to exercise your second amendment rights and shoot your local congressman. That is a germane question.
 
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Alfons said:
The crazy guy who tried to kill Giffords is in reality a Left-Wing according to his former classmate.



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Jared Loughner, Alleged Shooter in Gabrielle Giffords Attack, Described by Classmate as "Left-Wing Pothead" - Phoenix News - Valley Fever

Jared Loughner is described as a "left-wing political radical."


BTW no one Right - Wing has any interest to socialistic bull**** like Marx or Hitler, only Leftists because Hitler is a product of Marx, and Jared Loughner is a product of both cretins together.

Dear Sarah, do not worry because of a Left - Wing idiot, you will win, 100 %.
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One, those are two very different political leanings. Hitler wasn't a communist and I don't know if you were aware and intentionally ignored or just didn't know that that list of books everyone is talking about includes Animal Farm (an attack on communism) as well as Aesop's Fables and that none of them have any real connection (some people just read, which you obviously don't).

Two, you are obviously trying to twist a murder to fit your political leaning. How is Sarah Palin running for future office relevant?

Please explain how Hitler "is a product of Marx".
 
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Demon of Light said:
Nazi is short for National Socialist German Worker's Party. While National Socialism rejects communism it does have its origins in left-wing ideology.
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I forgot that the reason Hitler is so famous was his FISCAL policy.
 
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Alfons said:
Yep, he is crazy, too much marijuanna, Marx, Lenin, Hitler, a typical Leftist!
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So democrat voter= Nazi/murderer to you, are you going to make any points or is the ad
hominem doing it for you? People did die there, you're just as bad as the "leftists" you hate so much politicizing this.
 
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Someone may have already, but I doubt it had any success, so I'll do it too, lets have a political maths lesson.

Communism (a political ideology advocating a stateless, classless society in which everyone is equal and the means of production are distributed equally)=/= National Socialism (a political party in which Hitler rose to prominence, which, once Hitler controlled it, advocated a patriarchal society, rigid social classes, absolute obedience to the state, and and a government controlled economy, which was directed to xenophobic and racist ends).

No matter how you try to spin it, Communism and Nazism are completely incompatible.
 
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Barbbtx said:
It's almost as stupid as all the threads about Sarah Palins 2010 campaign map, especially since this dude has had Gabby in his radar since 2007.

At least this thread is a little closer to reality.
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No, actually this thread is FAR less close to reality than most other threads on this site.
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
No, actually this thread is FAR less close to reality than most other threads on this site.
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You got that right :lol:
 
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spud_meister said:
Someone may have already, but I doubt it had any success, so I'll do it too, lets have a political maths lesson.

Communism (a political ideology advocating a stateless, classless society in which everyone is equal and the means of production are distributed equally)=/= National Socialism (a political party in which Hitler rose to prominence, which, once Hitler controlled it, advocated a patriarchal society, rigid social classes, absolute obedience to the state, and and a government controlled economy, which was directed to xenophobic and racist ends).

No matter how you try to spin it, Communism and Nazism are completely incompatible.
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Remember. Nazism is closer to fascism than anything else. The father of modern fascism was Mussolini, who, in his description of fascism, indicated that it was completely opposed to socialism and any left wing ideology. Fascism really can't be categorized on a right-left spectrum, though the kind of fascism that Nazism was can be more easily described as "far right" than anything else. Those who try to paint it as "leftwing" don't know what they are talking about, and are only spewing partisan distortions.

Here is the link to Mussolini's description:

Mussolini  - THE DOCTRINE OF FASCISM

And a few key quotes:

Fascism is definitely and absolutely opposed to the doctrines of liberalism, both in the political and the economic sphere.
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The Fascist negation of socialism, democracy, liberalism, should not, however, be interpreted as implying a desire to drive the world backwards to positions occupied prior to 1789, a year commonly referred to as that which opened the demo-liberal century.
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Notice how it is anti-liberal and anti-socialist.

Nazism, a specific form of fascism, is anti-liberal, anti-communist (remember how much Hitler hated the communists), anti-socialist, and anti-capitalist. Also remember... during the Night of the Long Knives, Hilter killed George Strasser and all members of the left-wing part of the Nazi Party. From this point on, Nazism was solely right wing.
 
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spud_meister said:
Someone may have already, but I doubt it had any success, so I'll do it too, lets have a political maths lesson.

Communism (a political ideology advocating a stateless, classless society in which everyone is equal and the means of production are distributed equally)=/= National Socialism (a political party in which Hitler rose to prominence, which, once Hitler controlled it, advocated a patriarchal society, rigid social classes, absolute obedience to the state, and and a government controlled economy, which was directed to xenophobic and racist ends).

No matter how you try to spin it, Communism and Nazism are completely incompatible.
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Remember. Nazism is closer to fascism than anything else. The father of modern fascism was Mussolini, who, in his description of fascism, indicated that it was completely opposed to socialism and any left wing ideology. Fascism really can't be categorized on a right-left spectrum, though the kind of fascism that Nazism was can be more easily described as "far right" than anything else. Those who try to paint it as "leftwing" don't know what they are talking about, and are only spewing partisan distortions.

Here is the link to Mussolini's description:

Mussolini  - THE DOCTRINE OF FASCISM

And a few key quotes:

Fascism is definitely and absolutely opposed to the doctrines of liberalism, both in the political and the economic sphere.
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The Fascist negation of socialism, democracy, liberalism, should not, however, be interpreted as implying a desire to drive the world backwards to positions occupied prior to 1789, a year commonly referred to as that which opened the demo-liberal century.
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Notice how it is anti-liberal and anti-socialist.

Nazism, a specific form of fascism, is anti-liberal, anti-communist (remember how much Hitler hated the communists), anti-socialist, and anti-capitalist. Also remember... during the Night of the Long Knives, Hilter killed George Strasser and all members of the left-wing part of the Nazi Party. From this point on, Nazism was solely right wing.
 
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Demon of Light said:
Nazi is short for National Socialist German Worker's Party. While National Socialism rejects communism it does have its origins in left-wing ideology.
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HAHHAH seriously what a load of bs.

The Nazi party was found during a time when conservative politics was fround upon and the new idea of "socialism" was the new hip popular political ideology. So founding a party called "Nationalist Conservative German" Party would never have made Hitler win.

If you look at the over all policies of the Nazi party, then it is very clear that they used bits of both sides and made new stuff up to do everything to stay in power.

The main economic backers of the Nazi party were the old backers of the conservative parties who feared the rise of the real socialist parties and could not support their traditional allies due to their lack of popularity among the electorate.

Of the political opponents imprisoned and killed by the Nazi party, it was almost exclusively against left wing persons.. more social democrats than communists often. Most on the right aspect of the political spectrum joined the Nazi party, more than often willingly.

Of economic policies it was in no way socialist policies of the day since very few companies were nationalised in the true meaning, and most big companies remained in the hands of the loyal party members. Those companies that were nationalised were of political opponents and were given/sold to loyal companies. Sure the production system was controlled centrally, but we are talking about a dictator... all dictators control the economy centrally regardless of the political leaning.

On social policies many of the policies were both socialist and conservative. By keeping religion (yes their own) in centre of their policies, then you again have far more conservative than socialist leanings. A real socialist of the era would have gotten rid of religion all together.

So dont get fooled by the "Socialist" in the Nazi name, since the policies do not match the tag by any means.
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
Notice how it is anti-liberal and anti-socialist
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Mussolini, despite being a dirty liberal (although naturally less extreme than Obama), and a horrible human being, was no incompetent. He had the correct foresight to predict that at the turn of the century people would be talking about his crimes and accusing him of (rightly) being a liberal, so he made it look like he was far to the right by saying he hated liberals like himself, communists (which he was one, although naturally not as extreme as Obama), socialists, etc, so that the American liberals could go on through the 21st century with their murderous ideology free of (just) accusations of mass murder from the right.

Creating a culture of rampant corporatism, destroying any hope of workers' rights, and entirely rejecting any remotely left wing positions on class struggle was just a ploy to his greater end: THE USA.

Some people are so gullible. This was Mussolini's plan from the start, he didn't care about Europe, he wanted to destroy the last free nation on earth with his liberal poison, the good old God fearing United States of America.

Get to know history dude.
 
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As of this terrorist.. he is more right wing than left.

His hatred of government makes him right wing.. cant get around of that fact, since the left as the right constantly reminds us of, want more government.

And so what if he read Mien Kamp and Karl Marx. Mien Kamp is again written by a man who had far more right leaning ideas than left, and Karl Marx should be mandatory reading for anyone dabbling in politics.. always good to know the "enemy" so to say.
 
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SirPwn4lot said:
Get to know history dude.
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You should pick up a history book or two, since your comments clearly show a lack of knowledge of history and historical figures.
 
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PeteEU said:
You should pick up a history book or two, since your comments clearly show a lack of knowledge of history and historical figures.
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*I was being sarcastic :roll:*

By the way, you double posted, Captain.
 
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SirPwn4lot said:
*I was being sarcastic :roll:*
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Then my bad... dont have my "sarcastic" hat on today.

By the way, you double posted, Captain.
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Happening quite often atm. Seems to be lag on the posting of posts.
 
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I'll point out one more thing, Hitler didn't start the National Socialist party, and it was actually a socialist party (or sorts), Hitler infiltrated it when he was a wee corporal back in 1919 and took over the party and used to his own ends.
 
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Nazi's are left wing eh? This can be easily tested. Go into one of those Nazi camps in the mid-west, get a megaphone and shout "you are a bunch of liberal socialist left wingers". See what happens.
 
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SirPwn4lot said:
*I was being sarcastic :roll:*
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You MUST use smilies or some other indication. I almost bought into your post.

By the way, you double posted, Captain.
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I know. Forum glitch. I got a couple of thanks, so I'll leave them.
 
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Some issues I want to discuss "intelligently"

1)Nazism is NOT Socialism. Even Wikipedia, the eternally inaccurate site admits it. Get some sense before you accuse anybody of being socialist
2)Loughner was just an insane psycho. If you're going to accuse him of being socialist (a factless opinion), then at least provides some facts (please, not your version of "facts")
3)Stop babbling about how all people who are not ultra-conservatives are all liberals, socialists, or communists
 
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