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    Re: Communism + National Socialism = Jared Loughner

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    It's neither right nor left. Why this idiotic conversation comes up about once a year is beyond me.
    There is nothing idiotic about the conversation. It does create a problem of identifying right and left, but as socialist ideologies are always regarded as being on the left there is no controversy in saying an ideology that emerged from such ideologies and still leaned towards such ideologies is from the left. Problem is some people are not adequately educated about Nazism/Fascism and so they have the mistaken impression that it rests mainly on the right.
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    Re: Communism + National Socialism = Jared Loughner

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    There is nothing idiotic about the conversation. It does create a problem of identifying right and left, but as socialist ideologies are always regarded as being on the left there is no controversy in saying an ideology that emerged from such ideologies and still leaned towards such ideologies is from the left. Problem is some people are not adequately educated about Nazism/Fascism and so they have the mistaken impression that it rests mainly on the right.
    No, it is a stupid conversation. Facism isn't really comparable anywhere to modern American politics.
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    Re: Communism + National Socialism = Jared Loughner

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Because it's important for progressives to tag the worst example of humanity, namely HITLER, in the same circle as conservatives/Republicans/the RIGHT of the political spectrum.
    I guess you've never been to a Tea Party rally and seen the Obama posters with a Hitler mustache. Or I guess you never saw that conservative billboard that compared Obama to Hitler.

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    Re: Communism + National Socialism = Jared Loughner

    Facism - single party or dictatorship rule over both the government and the economy. Denounces individual power in favor of the national collective.
    Communism - single party or dictatorship rule over both the government and the economy. Denounces individual power in favor of the national collective.

    They are identical, except one claims it's for the nation, the other claims it's for the people.

    Trying to use such ambiguous terms as left, right, etc., doesn't help.

    The shooter doesn't appear to be mentally sane, read his stuff, it's gibberish. The political rhetoric has nothing to do with it.
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    Re: Communism + National Socialism = Jared Loughner

    Communism and fascim are opposing ideologies His Ayn Rand readings put him on the rightmost end of the spectrum.
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    Re: Communism + National Socialism = Jared Loughner

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Have you read Loughner's political ramblings? He doesn't really have ANY coherent political ideology, he's just crazy.
    Maybe he's just misunderstood.

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    Re: Communism + National Socialism = Jared Loughner

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    Facism - single party or dictatorship rule over both the government and the economy. Denounces individual power in favor of the national collective.
    Communism - single party or dictatorship rule over both the government and the economy. Denounces individual power in favor of the national collective.

    They are identical, except one claims it's for the nation, the other claims it's for the people.

    Trying to use such ambiguous terms as left, right, etc., doesn't help.
    Except that is not what communism is in reality. Rather it is the impression people have gotten about it from the fact certain governments have carried out their actions in the name of communism. Marx envisioned a situation where the workers, the overwhelming majority of people, would govern over affairs democratically. Lenin introduced the vanguard party that replaced the idea of the proletariat dictatorship, referring to the shift in power to the working-class and not a dictatorship in the sense you mean. Had Lenin's ideas been the mainstay of the USSR it is quite possible that, while communism would not be regarded positively by the elites and those who follow them, it would have more mass appeal. However, Stalin went one giant step further in distorting the ideology.

    The shooter doesn't appear to be mentally sane, read his stuff, it's gibberish. The political rhetoric has nothing to do with it.
    Just because he might be insane, having unusual or improper writing or speaking style is not the same as being insane, does not mean he is apolitical. Politics undoubtedly informed his actions on some level.
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    Re: Communism + National Socialism = Jared Loughner

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    There is nothing idiotic about the conversation. It does create a problem of identifying right and left, but as socialist ideologies are always regarded as being on the left there is no controversy in saying an ideology that emerged from such ideologies and still leaned towards such ideologies is from the left. Problem is some people are not adequately educated about Nazism/Fascism and so they have the mistaken impression that it rests mainly on the right.
    Please feel free to enlighten us with some facts as you set forth nothing but personal opinion. Your assertion is contrary to generally accepted political science. Though I would agree their are many that simply suggest that nazism was a incoherent political philosophy that does not fit into a left/right paradigm. I am not sure what you are trying to say here, but a cross reference would be helpful.
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    Re: Communism + National Socialism = Jared Loughner

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light
    Lenin introduced the vanguard party that replaced the idea of the proletariat dictatorship
    Fun Fact: This is completely false.

    "The Communists, therefore, are on the one hand, practically, the most advanced and resolute section of the working-class parties of every country, that section which pushes forward all others; on the other hand, theoretically, they have over the great mass of the proletariat the advantage of clearly understanding the line of march, the conditions, and the ultimate general results of the proletarian movement." - Marx, Manifesto, Proletarians and Communists
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    Re: Communism + National Socialism = Jared Loughner

    Fact is, a true communist party has never really come to fruition.
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