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    Re: Communism + National Socialism = Jared Loughner

    Someone may have already, but I doubt it had any success, so I'll do it too, lets have a political maths lesson.

    Communism (a political ideology advocating a stateless, classless society in which everyone is equal and the means of production are distributed equally)=/= National Socialism (a political party in which Hitler rose to prominence, which, once Hitler controlled it, advocated a patriarchal society, rigid social classes, absolute obedience to the state, and and a government controlled economy, which was directed to xenophobic and racist ends).

    No matter how you try to spin it, Communism and Nazism are completely incompatible.
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    Re: Communism + National Socialism = Jared Loughner

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    It's almost as stupid as all the threads about Sarah Palins 2010 campaign map, especially since this dude has had Gabby in his radar since 2007.

    At least this thread is a little closer to reality.
    No, actually this thread is FAR less close to reality than most other threads on this site.
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    Re: Communism + National Socialism = Jared Loughner

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    No, actually this thread is FAR less close to reality than most other threads on this site.
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    Re: Communism + National Socialism = Jared Loughner

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Someone may have already, but I doubt it had any success, so I'll do it too, lets have a political maths lesson.

    Communism (a political ideology advocating a stateless, classless society in which everyone is equal and the means of production are distributed equally)=/= National Socialism (a political party in which Hitler rose to prominence, which, once Hitler controlled it, advocated a patriarchal society, rigid social classes, absolute obedience to the state, and and a government controlled economy, which was directed to xenophobic and racist ends).

    No matter how you try to spin it, Communism and Nazism are completely incompatible.
    Remember. Nazism is closer to fascism than anything else. The father of modern fascism was Mussolini, who, in his description of fascism, indicated that it was completely opposed to socialism and any left wing ideology. Fascism really can't be categorized on a right-left spectrum, though the kind of fascism that Nazism was can be more easily described as "far right" than anything else. Those who try to paint it as "leftwing" don't know what they are talking about, and are only spewing partisan distortions.

    Here is the link to Mussolini's description:

    Mussolini* - THE DOCTRINE OF FASCISM

    And a few key quotes:

    Fascism is definitely and absolutely opposed to the doctrines of liberalism, both in the political and the economic sphere.
    The Fascist negation of socialism, democracy, liberalism, should not, however, be interpreted as implying a desire to drive the world backwards to positions occupied prior to 1789, a year commonly referred to as that which opened the demo-liberal century.
    Notice how it is anti-liberal and anti-socialist.

    Nazism, a specific form of fascism, is anti-liberal, anti-communist (remember how much Hitler hated the communists), anti-socialist, and anti-capitalist. Also remember... during the Night of the Long Knives, Hilter killed George Strasser and all members of the left-wing part of the Nazi Party. From this point on, Nazism was solely right wing.
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    Re: Communism + National Socialism = Jared Loughner

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Someone may have already, but I doubt it had any success, so I'll do it too, lets have a political maths lesson.

    Communism (a political ideology advocating a stateless, classless society in which everyone is equal and the means of production are distributed equally)=/= National Socialism (a political party in which Hitler rose to prominence, which, once Hitler controlled it, advocated a patriarchal society, rigid social classes, absolute obedience to the state, and and a government controlled economy, which was directed to xenophobic and racist ends).

    No matter how you try to spin it, Communism and Nazism are completely incompatible.
    Remember. Nazism is closer to fascism than anything else. The father of modern fascism was Mussolini, who, in his description of fascism, indicated that it was completely opposed to socialism and any left wing ideology. Fascism really can't be categorized on a right-left spectrum, though the kind of fascism that Nazism was can be more easily described as "far right" than anything else. Those who try to paint it as "leftwing" don't know what they are talking about, and are only spewing partisan distortions.

    Here is the link to Mussolini's description:

    Mussolini* - THE DOCTRINE OF FASCISM

    And a few key quotes:

    Fascism is definitely and absolutely opposed to the doctrines of liberalism, both in the political and the economic sphere.
    The Fascist negation of socialism, democracy, liberalism, should not, however, be interpreted as implying a desire to drive the world backwards to positions occupied prior to 1789, a year commonly referred to as that which opened the demo-liberal century.
    Notice how it is anti-liberal and anti-socialist.

    Nazism, a specific form of fascism, is anti-liberal, anti-communist (remember how much Hitler hated the communists), anti-socialist, and anti-capitalist. Also remember... during the Night of the Long Knives, Hilter killed George Strasser and all members of the left-wing part of the Nazi Party. From this point on, Nazism was solely right wing.
    "Never fear. Him is here" - Captain Chaos (Dom DeLuise), Cannonball Run

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Communism + National Socialism = Jared Loughner

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    Nazi is short for National Socialist German Worker's Party. While National Socialism rejects communism it does have its origins in left-wing ideology.
    HAHHAH seriously what a load of bs.

    The Nazi party was found during a time when conservative politics was fround upon and the new idea of "socialism" was the new hip popular political ideology. So founding a party called "Nationalist Conservative German" Party would never have made Hitler win.

    If you look at the over all policies of the Nazi party, then it is very clear that they used bits of both sides and made new stuff up to do everything to stay in power.

    The main economic backers of the Nazi party were the old backers of the conservative parties who feared the rise of the real socialist parties and could not support their traditional allies due to their lack of popularity among the electorate.

    Of the political opponents imprisoned and killed by the Nazi party, it was almost exclusively against left wing persons.. more social democrats than communists often. Most on the right aspect of the political spectrum joined the Nazi party, more than often willingly.

    Of economic policies it was in no way socialist policies of the day since very few companies were nationalised in the true meaning, and most big companies remained in the hands of the loyal party members. Those companies that were nationalised were of political opponents and were given/sold to loyal companies. Sure the production system was controlled centrally, but we are talking about a dictator... all dictators control the economy centrally regardless of the political leaning.

    On social policies many of the policies were both socialist and conservative. By keeping religion (yes their own) in centre of their policies, then you again have far more conservative than socialist leanings. A real socialist of the era would have gotten rid of religion all together.

    So dont get fooled by the "Socialist" in the Nazi name, since the policies do not match the tag by any means.
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    Re: Communism + National Socialism = Jared Loughner

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Notice how it is anti-liberal and anti-socialist
    Mussolini, despite being a dirty liberal (although naturally less extreme than Obama), and a horrible human being, was no incompetent. He had the correct foresight to predict that at the turn of the century people would be talking about his crimes and accusing him of (rightly) being a liberal, so he made it look like he was far to the right by saying he hated liberals like himself, communists (which he was one, although naturally not as extreme as Obama), socialists, etc, so that the American liberals could go on through the 21st century with their murderous ideology free of (just) accusations of mass murder from the right.

    Creating a culture of rampant corporatism, destroying any hope of workers' rights, and entirely rejecting any remotely left wing positions on class struggle was just a ploy to his greater end: THE USA.

    Some people are so gullible. This was Mussolini's plan from the start, he didn't care about Europe, he wanted to destroy the last free nation on earth with his liberal poison, the good old God fearing United States of America.

    Get to know history dude.
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    Re: Communism + National Socialism = Jared Loughner

    As of this terrorist.. he is more right wing than left.

    His hatred of government makes him right wing.. cant get around of that fact, since the left as the right constantly reminds us of, want more government.

    And so what if he read Mien Kamp and Karl Marx. Mien Kamp is again written by a man who had far more right leaning ideas than left, and Karl Marx should be mandatory reading for anyone dabbling in politics.. always good to know the "enemy" so to say.
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    Re: Communism + National Socialism = Jared Loughner

    Quote Originally Posted by SirPwn4lot View Post
    Get to know history dude.
    You should pick up a history book or two, since your comments clearly show a lack of knowledge of history and historical figures.
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    Re: Communism + National Socialism = Jared Loughner

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    You should pick up a history book or two, since your comments clearly show a lack of knowledge of history and historical figures.
    *I was being sarcastic *

    By the way, you double posted, Captain.

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