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    Re: Communism + National Socialism = Jared Loughner

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    Looking at what this individual has said he strikes me as being closer to a paleolibertarian. So it is quite understandable that someone might consider him left-wing since his positions would be anti-war, pro-legalization, and a whole assortment of other positions associated with the left in the United States.
    I mean we have what he actually said and if you were to listen to him he comes across as a nut not belong to the left or right. Yet, we have people going his friends say this, who apparently didn't really know the kid that well considering what is coming out about him, or we have people going LOOK AT THE PALIN WEBSITE. It is getting out of hand and people just need to stop. This kid is just an upset individual and us playing this pin him on the other side is getting stupid and silly.

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    Re: Communism + National Socialism = Jared Loughner

    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    Just this thread is funny. And shame on anyone trying to put this wacko on any political group. If people took the time to listen to this guy they would realize that he is part of no political leaning and is just crazy as hell.
    Too late now. The Sheriff opened his big fat mouth and started blaming the tea party with absolutely no evidence. That sent the MSM into a feeding frenzy. The record needs to be set straight and I'm not seeing any apologies from the media yet.
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    Re: Communism + National Socialism = Jared Loughner

    Quote Originally Posted by Alfons
    Who invented Communism and Socialism, not Marx, right?
    Depends on what you mean. Formally, as a modern economic system, Marx "invented" communism.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alfons
    Hitler fulfilled the socialistic teaching of Marx in Germany
    Not really. In fact, not at all. Marx wanted to place the means of production in the hands of the proletariat (which, by the time this occurred, would include all people). Hitler wanted to place control of the means of production in the hands of the master race, the German/Nordic race.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alfons
    btw the idea of concentration camps he had cloned by his socialistic friedns in stalin's Russia.
    I believe it's established that Heydrich and Hitler got the idea for the camps out of discussions about the Armenian Genocide carried out by the Three Young Turks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alfons
    Socialism is one of the biggest idiotic ideas which has been failure everywhere
    Depends on how you define failure. The Chinese think that we are a failure (of course, I imagine you disagree). The Swedes, the Dutch, The (modern) Germans, the French, the Canadians, all incorporate socialist elements into their economy, and they generally think we're pretty dumb for not doing the same. Those who favor the American economic system, however, perceive things differently. But it depends on what you value.

    On the one hand, the Chinese (for instance) labor under what we would consider an oppressive system. Criminal penalties are much harsher than they are here. It may surprise you to learn, however, that Chinese citizens are free to choose their occupation and where they will live. They don't have freedom of religion or some other basic freedoms. But on the other hand--when that earthquake happened just before the Beijing Olympics, tens of thousands of Chinese citizens voluntarily went to help for months with the effort to rebuild, and they had no fear that they would lose their jobs. They all have access to free medical care, and have guaranteed access to at least the basic necessities. Though there are dissenters, on the whole they value those things over freedom of speech or religion. We see things differently.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alfons
    if somewhere this stupid teaching went wrong the leftists immediately claim that it were "an other", not true socialism.
    I think it's clear that pure socialism is just as bad as pure capitalism. My opinion is that the best economic system has elements of both.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alfons
    This utopia has cost more as hundred billion life, Arizona idiot is a typical Socialist.
    I'm not sure I understand you here. Are you saying that socialists have killed a hundred billion people? That's a tall order, given that there haven't been that many people who ever lived throughout the course of human evolution. There are only 6.6 billion people alive today.

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    Re: Communism + National Socialism = Jared Loughner

    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    No this thread isn't even closer to reality. The OP basically says that the Left follow Hitler and Marx. The fact is a few of his friends said he is left, well guess what a few of my friends have called me hardcore Republican. Doesn't mean any of it is true.
    Sorry, but it's closer to reality than trying to tie him to Conservatives.
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    Re: Communism + National Socialism = Jared Loughner

    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    I mean we have what he actually said and if you were to listen to him he comes across as a nut not belong to the left or right. Yet, we have people going his friends say this, who apparently didn't really know the kid that well considering what is coming out about him, or we have people going LOOK AT THE PALIN WEBSITE. It is getting out of hand and people just need to stop. This kid is just an upset individual and us playing this pin him on the other side is getting stupid and silly.
    Well paleolibertarianism does not neatly sit on the present left-right political spectrum. Still, I think it is only partly relevant. There are violent sides to any ideology and thus it does not particularly matter what part of the spectrum an individual's ideology lies. However, we should not act as though someone who carries out an act is apolitical either.
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    Re: Communism + National Socialism = Jared Loughner

    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    I mean we have what he actually said and if you were to listen to him he comes across as a nut not belong to the left or right. Yet, we have people going his friends say this, who apparently didn't really know the kid that well considering what is coming out about him, or we have people going LOOK AT THE PALIN WEBSITE. It is getting out of hand and people just need to stop. This kid is just an upset individual and us playing this pin him on the other side is getting stupid and silly.
    Agreed, but you need to tell that to Keith Olbermann, CNN, ABC, CBS, and NBC. Olbermann blamed it on Fox News and Rush Limbaugh. LOL

    Watch MSNBC tonight. It's comical. This is the tea party's fault.

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    Re: Communism + National Socialism = Jared Loughner

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Really? Got proof that he kept going on about those things?
    Yes.

    What transpired inside the house and mind of the young man who investigators say shot the congresswoman and 18 other people, leaving six dead, is the topic of much speculation. Many have questioned whether Jared Loughner’s apparent choice of target—a Democratic congresswoman who has been an outspoken opponent of Arizona’s tough immigration laws—was the result of an increasingly vitriolic national political climate where the threat of violence simmers just beneath the surface. Or were Loughner’s antigovernment Internet rants about the gold standard, grammar and mind control the ravings of a young man suffering from several mental illness?
    He did go on and on about making a NEW currancy and even made a video about it.
    He or a friend did that creepy video that ended in him burning the American flag.
    Yea, sure sounds like someone from the tea party.
    This is called a strawman argument. Now piss off troll.
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    Re: Communism + National Socialism = Jared Loughner

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Really, you're going to hang your hat there?

    HEY EVERYONE!! HATUEY THINKS GLENN BECK CAUSED THIS!

    I hope all will enjoin with me in mocking you.
    ..... I hope they all 'enjoin' you too. Let's see how many dispute the fact that his rantings are clearly right wing.
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    Re: Communism + National Socialism = Jared Loughner

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    ..... I hope they all 'enjoin' you too. Let's see how many dispute the fact that his rantings are clearly right wing.
    His rantings were that of a crazy and mentally unstable maniac. Not a left winger, not a right winger, just all crazy.
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    Re: Communism + National Socialism = Jared Loughner

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    His rantings were that of a crazy and mentally unstable maniac. Not a left winger, not a right winger, just all crazy.
    All this bull**** about him being 'mentally unstable' is ridiculous. Sure. He was a mentally unstable individual but his rantings were clearly right wing. Admit it and move on. Nobody questions the notion that William Ayers is a former left wing terrorist or that David Koresh was a Christian extremist. All this politically correct bull**** which says we shouldn't call them out for what they are is starting to get annoying. If he had started killing people over the environment and how we're hurting animals, he'd be a left wing psycho. End of story.
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