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    Re: Communism + National Socialism = Jared Loughner

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Have you read Loughner's political ramblings? He doesn't really have ANY coherent political ideology, he's just crazy.
    He is a nut, but if the libs insist on blaming Palin, and the tea party, they can expect others to show that he was actually more left than right.
    He was a scary dude who frightened a lot of people before he went on his killing spree.
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    Re: Communism + National Socialism = Jared Loughner

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Oh the stupidity of the premise in this thread has the markings of greatness
    It's almost as stupid as all the threads about Sarah Palins 2010 campaign map, especially since this dude has had Gabby in his radar since 2007.

    At least this thread is a little closer to reality.
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    Re: Communism + National Socialism = Jared Loughner

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Hitler and Nazism is very much right wing.
    Fascism is a third-way ideology that rejects left and right. In some ways it is right-wing extreme - nationalism and private property. In other ways it is left wing - focusing on class difference and economic policies that run from Keynesian to near-central planning. Fascism more than any other ideology shows the weakness of the left-right spectrum.

    But back to the point. The guy is insane, trying to stick him with any particular group, left, right, or third way just lowers political discourse and politicizes the deaths of those people. I'm pretty sure that's not what the families want.
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    Re: Communism + National Socialism = Jared Loughner

    Quote Originally Posted by ashurbanipal View Post
    About a quarter of my family tree was cut off at Treblinka. About another quarter (slightly less) perished in the "gulag archipelago" in the 1950's and 1960's. And I have been interested my whole life (as well as in my academic career) in questions of justice, politics, and economics. I have read a significant amount of material on Marx and Communism (and received some formal training in political and economic philosophy specifically pertaining to Communism), and also a significant amount of material on Naziism.

    I'm well aware of what the Nazis called themselves. But they were in fact diametrically opposed to socialism of the sort that Marx advocated.
    I agree but the bolded part there is key. It is not the same sort of socialism that Marx advocated. The National Socialist German Worker's Party had a strong brand of left-wing nationalism that was actually predominant up to the Night of the Long Knives, when the radical left-wing was violently purged from the party. After that there are still leftist tendencies, but in its infancy the main thing distinguishing Nazism from Marxism is the nationalist and racialist character of the party.

    National Socialism being a Fascist ideology also indicates its left-wing origins. Fascism evolved from national syndicalism, with syndicalism being a worker-based corporatist governance structure that was proposed by the Workingmen's Assocations like the IWA of which Karl Marx was a primary participant.

    This is not to suggest something is seriously wrong with left-wing ideologies. Indeed, Fascism/National Socialism are distortions of left-wing ideology that undermine many of the intended goals of the left.
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    Re: Communism + National Socialism = Jared Loughner

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    It's almost as stupid as all the threads about Sarah Palins 2010 campaign map, especially since this dude has had Gabby in his radar since 2007.

    At least this thread is a little closer to reality.
    No this thread isn't even closer to reality. The OP basically says that the Left follow Hitler and Marx. The fact is a few of his friends said he is left, well guess what a few of my friends have called me hardcore Republican. Doesn't mean any of it is true.

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    Re: Communism + National Socialism = Jared Loughner

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Have you read Loughner's political ramblings? He doesn't really have ANY coherent political ideology, he's just crazy.
    Yet the national news media, elected officials, public servants, and some of the tired liberal mouth pieces on this forum, believed even before reading things like you read, that it's a result of Palin and Republican rhetoric. That's why you get posts like this. When I read his facebook stuff and some of the CNN summaries, i came up with the same conclusion you had. It was really hard to see any popular modern rhetoric driving all that mish mash of nonsense that I read.
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    Re: Communism + National Socialism = Jared Loughner

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Yes... he kept going on about not having to pay taxes and going back to the gold standard. Now who, have I heard saying that before?
    Really, you're going to hang your hat there?

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    Re: Communism + National Socialism = Jared Loughner

    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    No this thread isn't even closer to reality. The OP basically says that the Left follow Hitler and Marx. The fact is a few of his friends said he is left, well guess what a few of my friends have called me hardcore Republican. Doesn't mean any of it is true.
    Looking at what this individual has said he strikes me as being closer to a paleolibertarian. So it is quite understandable that someone might consider him left-wing since his positions would be anti-war, pro-legalization, and a whole assortment of other positions associated with the left in the United States.
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    Re: Communism + National Socialism = Jared Loughner

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Yes... he kept going on about not having to pay taxes and going back to the gold standard. Now who, have I heard saying that before?
    Really? Got proof that he kept going on about those things?
    He did go on and on about making a NEW currancy and even made a video about it.
    He or a friend did that creepy video that ended in him burning the American flag.
    Yea, sure sounds like someone from the tea party.
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    Re: Communism + National Socialism = Jared Loughner

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Hitler and Nazism is very much right wing.
    only in some cartoon world

    in america, american conservatism goes back to john adams and the founders

    people like me are hardly going to look to MODERN EUROPE for our antecedents

    ie, get real

    on another front, have you heard that south carolina's james clyburn, #3 in dem house leadership behind pelosi (LOL!) and hoyer, is today trying to capitalize on this catastrophe by calling once again for the FAIRNESS DOCTRINE

    Clyburn: Words can be danger | The Post and Courier, Charleston SC - News, Sports, Entertainment

    he wants to silence conservative talk radio

    let him try, he'll get killed (err, excuse me, he'll take a big hit politically) if he walks a single step in that censorious direction

    his FAIRNESS DOCTRINE won't even get as far as the senators' filibuster reform, aborted in less than 24 hours

    the krugmans and clyburns and olbermanns and meet the press and abc's amanpour and the other dozens of elitists with their aggressive "forward leaning" agendas have really hurt themselves by so crassly trying to politicize this tragedy before the echo of the assassin's bullets even returned off of safeway's walls

    it simply has no merit in truth, there is absolutely no connection between the 22 year old nutter in tucson and today's leaders of, for instance, my political philosophy

    just as there is no tie to der fuehrer

    pray for ms giffords, the other victims, their families and our once great nation

    TRY to stay up
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