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Jared Loughner, Alleged Shooter in Gabrielle Giffords Attack, Described by Classmate

Re: Communism + National Socialism = Jared Loughner

Have you read Loughner's political ramblings? He doesn't really have ANY coherent political ideology, he's just crazy.

Yet the national news media, elected officials, public servants, and some of the tired liberal mouth pieces on this forum, believed even before reading things like you read, that it's a result of Palin and Republican rhetoric. That's why you get posts like this. When I read his facebook stuff and some of the CNN summaries, i came up with the same conclusion you had. It was really hard to see any popular modern rhetoric driving all that mish mash of nonsense that I read.
 
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Yes... he kept going on about not having to pay taxes and going back to the gold standard. Now who, have I heard saying that before?

Really, you're going to hang your hat there?

HEY EVERYONE!! HATUEY THINKS GLENN BECK CAUSED THIS!

I hope all will enjoin with me in mocking you.
 
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No this thread isn't even closer to reality. The OP basically says that the Left follow Hitler and Marx. The fact is a few of his friends said he is left, well guess what a few of my friends have called me hardcore Republican. Doesn't mean any of it is true.

Looking at what this individual has said he strikes me as being closer to a paleolibertarian. So it is quite understandable that someone might consider him left-wing since his positions would be anti-war, pro-legalization, and a whole assortment of other positions associated with the left in the United States.
 
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Yes... he kept going on about not having to pay taxes and going back to the gold standard. Now who, have I heard saying that before?

Really? Got proof that he kept going on about those things?
He did go on and on about making a NEW currancy and even made a video about it.
He or a friend did that creepy video that ended in him burning the American flag.
Yea, sure sounds like someone from the tea party.
 
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Hitler and Nazism is very much right wing.

only in some cartoon world

in america, american conservatism goes back to john adams and the founders

people like me are hardly going to look to MODERN EUROPE for our antecedents

ie, get real

on another front, have you heard that south carolina's james clyburn, #3 in dem house leadership behind pelosi (LOL!) and hoyer, is today trying to capitalize on this catastrophe by calling once again for the FAIRNESS DOCTRINE

Clyburn: Words can be danger | The Post and Courier, Charleston SC - News, Sports, Entertainment

he wants to silence conservative talk radio

let him try, he'll get killed (err, excuse me, he'll take a big hit politically) if he walks a single step in that censorious direction

his FAIRNESS DOCTRINE won't even get as far as the senators' filibuster reform, aborted in less than 24 hours

the krugmans and clyburns and olbermanns and meet the press and abc's amanpour and the other dozens of elitists with their aggressive "forward leaning" agendas have really hurt themselves by so crassly trying to politicize this tragedy before the echo of the assassin's bullets even returned off of safeway's walls

it simply has no merit in truth, there is absolutely no connection between the 22 year old nutter in tucson and today's leaders of, for instance, my political philosophy

just as there is no tie to der fuehrer

pray for ms giffords, the other victims, their families and our once great nation

TRY to stay up
 
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Re: Communism + National Socialism = Jared Loughner

Looking at what this individual has said he strikes me as being closer to a paleolibertarian. So it is quite understandable that someone might consider him left-wing since his positions would be anti-war, pro-legalization, and a whole assortment of other positions associated with the left in the United States.

I mean we have what he actually said and if you were to listen to him he comes across as a nut not belong to the left or right. Yet, we have people going his friends say this, who apparently didn't really know the kid that well considering what is coming out about him, or we have people going LOOK AT THE PALIN WEBSITE. It is getting out of hand and people just need to stop. This kid is just an upset individual and us playing this pin him on the other side is getting stupid and silly.
 
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Just this thread is funny. And shame on anyone trying to put this wacko on any political group. If people took the time to listen to this guy they would realize that he is part of no political leaning and is just crazy as hell.

Too late now. The Sheriff opened his big fat mouth and started blaming the tea party with absolutely no evidence. That sent the MSM into a feeding frenzy. The record needs to be set straight and I'm not seeing any apologies from the media yet.
 
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Alfons said:
Who invented Communism and Socialism, not Marx, right?

Depends on what you mean. Formally, as a modern economic system, Marx "invented" communism.

Alfons said:
Hitler fulfilled the socialistic teaching of Marx in Germany

Not really. In fact, not at all. Marx wanted to place the means of production in the hands of the proletariat (which, by the time this occurred, would include all people). Hitler wanted to place control of the means of production in the hands of the master race, the German/Nordic race.

Alfons said:
btw the idea of concentration camps he had cloned by his socialistic friedns in stalin's Russia.

I believe it's established that Heydrich and Hitler got the idea for the camps out of discussions about the Armenian Genocide carried out by the Three Young Turks.

Alfons said:
Socialism is one of the biggest idiotic ideas which has been failure everywhere

Depends on how you define failure. The Chinese think that we are a failure (of course, I imagine you disagree). The Swedes, the Dutch, The (modern) Germans, the French, the Canadians, all incorporate socialist elements into their economy, and they generally think we're pretty dumb for not doing the same. Those who favor the American economic system, however, perceive things differently. But it depends on what you value.

On the one hand, the Chinese (for instance) labor under what we would consider an oppressive system. Criminal penalties are much harsher than they are here. It may surprise you to learn, however, that Chinese citizens are free to choose their occupation and where they will live. They don't have freedom of religion or some other basic freedoms. But on the other hand--when that earthquake happened just before the Beijing Olympics, tens of thousands of Chinese citizens voluntarily went to help for months with the effort to rebuild, and they had no fear that they would lose their jobs. They all have access to free medical care, and have guaranteed access to at least the basic necessities. Though there are dissenters, on the whole they value those things over freedom of speech or religion. We see things differently.

Alfons said:
if somewhere this stupid teaching went wrong the leftists immediately claim that it were "an other", not true socialism.

I think it's clear that pure socialism is just as bad as pure capitalism. My opinion is that the best economic system has elements of both.

Alfons said:
This utopia has cost more as hundred billion life, Arizona idiot is a typical Socialist.

I'm not sure I understand you here. Are you saying that socialists have killed a hundred billion people? That's a tall order, given that there haven't been that many people who ever lived throughout the course of human evolution. There are only 6.6 billion people alive today.
 
Re: Communism + National Socialism = Jared Loughner

No this thread isn't even closer to reality. The OP basically says that the Left follow Hitler and Marx. The fact is a few of his friends said he is left, well guess what a few of my friends have called me hardcore Republican. Doesn't mean any of it is true.

Sorry, but it's closer to reality than trying to tie him to Conservatives.
 
Re: Communism + National Socialism = Jared Loughner

I mean we have what he actually said and if you were to listen to him he comes across as a nut not belong to the left or right. Yet, we have people going his friends say this, who apparently didn't really know the kid that well considering what is coming out about him, or we have people going LOOK AT THE PALIN WEBSITE. It is getting out of hand and people just need to stop. This kid is just an upset individual and us playing this pin him on the other side is getting stupid and silly.

Well paleolibertarianism does not neatly sit on the present left-right political spectrum. Still, I think it is only partly relevant. There are violent sides to any ideology and thus it does not particularly matter what part of the spectrum an individual's ideology lies. However, we should not act as though someone who carries out an act is apolitical either.
 
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I mean we have what he actually said and if you were to listen to him he comes across as a nut not belong to the left or right. Yet, we have people going his friends say this, who apparently didn't really know the kid that well considering what is coming out about him, or we have people going LOOK AT THE PALIN WEBSITE. It is getting out of hand and people just need to stop. This kid is just an upset individual and us playing this pin him on the other side is getting stupid and silly.

Agreed, but you need to tell that to Keith Olbermann, CNN, ABC, CBS, and NBC. Olbermann blamed it on Fox News and Rush Limbaugh. LOL

Watch MSNBC tonight. It's comical. This is the tea party's fault.
 
Re: Communism + National Socialism = Jared Loughner

Really? Got proof that he kept going on about those things?

Yes.

What transpired inside the house and mind of the young man who investigators say shot the congresswoman and 18 other people, leaving six dead, is the topic of much speculation. Many have questioned whether Jared Loughner’s apparent choice of target—a Democratic congresswoman who has been an outspoken opponent of Arizona’s tough immigration laws—was the result of an increasingly vitriolic national political climate where the threat of violence simmers just beneath the surface. Or were Loughner’s antigovernment Internet rants about the gold standard, grammar and mind control the ravings of a young man suffering from several mental illness?

He did go on and on about making a NEW currancy and even made a video about it.
He or a friend did that creepy video that ended in him burning the American flag.
Yea, sure sounds like someone from the tea party.

This is called a strawman argument. Now piss off troll.
 
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Re: Communism + National Socialism = Jared Loughner

Really, you're going to hang your hat there?

HEY EVERYONE!! HATUEY THINKS GLENN BECK CAUSED THIS!

I hope all will enjoin with me in mocking you.

..... I hope they all 'enjoin' you too. Let's see how many dispute the fact that his rantings are clearly right wing.
 
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..... I hope they all 'enjoin' you too. Let's see how many dispute the fact that his rantings are clearly right wing.

His rantings were that of a crazy and mentally unstable maniac. Not a left winger, not a right winger, just all crazy.
 
Re: Communism + National Socialism = Jared Loughner

His rantings were that of a crazy and mentally unstable maniac. Not a left winger, not a right winger, just all crazy.

All this bull**** about him being 'mentally unstable' is ridiculous. Sure. He was a mentally unstable individual but his rantings were clearly right wing. Admit it and move on. Nobody questions the notion that William Ayers is a former left wing terrorist or that David Koresh was a Christian extremist. All this politically correct bull**** which says we shouldn't call them out for what they are is starting to get annoying. If he had started killing people over the environment and how we're hurting animals, he'd be a left wing psycho. End of story.
 
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The moment I heard this happened I knew that both the left and the right would be pointing at each other, and that both would be wrong.

Ok, so we have a communist hippie pot smoker who doesn't want to pay taxes and hates the government and it's attempts to mind-control people through grammar.

Go ahead. Explain how this fits into the left/right political spectrum!

Sorry, but it's closer to reality than trying to tie him to Conservatives.

No it isn't. Neither are close to reality.
 
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Re: Communism + National Socialism = Jared Loughner

Ok, so we have a communist hippie pot smoker who doesn't want to pay taxes and hates the government and it's attempts to mind-control people through grammar.

Go ahead. Explain how this fits into the left/right political spectrum!=

... Let's call him a Libertarian and move on. Lol. Kidding.
 
Re: Communism + National Socialism = Jared Loughner

Yes.





This is called a strawman argument. Now piss off troll.

Where's the link? Also I want to see his words going on and on about the gold standard.
 
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..... I hope they all 'enjoin' you too. Let's see how many dispute the fact that his rantings are clearly right wing.

Hey, you wanna use a dead child, judge and others to push some hyper-partisan hackery attempt to paint this guy as being "right wing". I ain't gonna stop ya, hell, KEEP IT UP!
 
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Hey, you wanna use a dead child, judge and others to push some hyper-partisan hackery attempt to paint this guy as being "right wing". I ain't gonna stop ya, hell, KEEP IT UP!

Oh please, what next? Think of the chijrun? The guy was right wing. End of story. The longer you deny what is a fact, the more I get to piss you off. We have the guy's words and a guy who is a self declared right wing radical stating that the kid was reading a whole bunch of crap off his website and repeating it. I don't know how much more evidence you need. Do you need him to be a card carrying republican to say he was right wing?
 
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Re: Communism + National Socialism = Jared Loughner

Here we go, some rants from the loon. Of course, these are not cherry picked tidbits to push partisan hackery, just expose it.
If there's no flag in the constitution then the flag in the film is unknown.
There's no flag in the constitution.
Therefore, the flag in the film is unknown.
Burn every new and old flag that you see.
Burn your flag!
I bet you can imagine this in your mind with a faster speed.
Watch this protest in reverse!
Ask the local police; "What's your illegal activity on duty?".
If you protest the government then there's a new government from protesting.
There's not a new government from protesting.
Thus, you aren't protesting the government.
There's something important in this video: There's no communication to anyone in this location.
You shouldn't be afraid of the stars.
There's a new bird on my right shoulder. The beak is two feet and lime green. The rarest bird on earth, there's no feathers, but small grey scales all over the body. It's with one large red eye with a light blue iris. The bird feet are the same as a woodpecker. This new bird and there's only one, the gender is not female or male. The wings of this bird are beautiful; 3 feet wide with the shape of a bald eagle that you could die for. If you can see this bird then you will understand. You think this bird is able to chat about a government?
I want you to imagine a comet or meteoroid coming through the atmosphere.

Sounds hard core right there, hell that could be Rush speaking!

Hello, my name is Jared Lee Loughner.
This video is my introduction to you! My favorite activity is conscience dreaming; the greatest inspiration for my political business information. Some of you don't dream — sadly.

Firstly, the current government officials are in power for their currency, but I'm informing you for your new currency! If you're treasuerer of a new money system, then you're responsible for the distributing of a new currency. We now know — the treasurer for a new money system, is the distributor of the new currency. As a result, the people approve a new money system which is promising new information that's accurate, and we truly believe in a new currency. Above all, you have your new currency, listener?

Secondly, my hope - is for you to be literate! If you're literate in English grammar, then you comprehend English grammar. The majority of poeple, who reside in District 8, are illiterate — hilarious. I don't control your English grammar structure, but you control your English grammar structure.

Thirdly, I know who's listening: Government Officials, and the People. Nearly all the people, who don't know this accurate information of a new currency, aren't aware of mind control and brainwash methods. If I have my civil rights, then this message wouldn't have happen.

In conclusion, my ambition - is for informing literate dreamers about a new currency; in a few days, you know I'm conscience dreaming! Thank you!

He's channeling Hannity now. So clear.

My Final Thoughts: Jared Lee Loughner!
Most people, who read this text, forget in the next 2 second!

The population of dreamers in the United States of America is less than 5%!

If 987,123,478,961,876,341,234,098,601,978,618 is the year in B.C.E. then the previous year is 987,123,478,961,876,341,234,098,601,978,619 B.C.E.

987,123,478,961,876,341,234,098,601,978,618 is the year in B.C.E.

Therefore, the previous year of 987,123,478,961,876,341,234,098,601,978,619 B.C.E.

If B.C.E. years are unable to start then A.D.E. years are unable to begin.

B.C.E. years are unable to start.

Thus, A.D.E. years are unable to begin.

If A.D.E. is endless in year then the years in A.D.E. don't cease.

A.D.E. is endless in year.

Therefore, the years in A.D.E. don't cease.

If I teach a mentally capable 8 year old for 20 consecutive minutes to replace an alphabet letter with a new letter and pronunciation then the mentally capable 8 year old writes and pronounces the new letter and pronunciation that's replacing an alphabet letter in 20 consecutive minutes.

I teach a mentally capable 8 year old for 20 consecutive minutes to replace an alphabet letter with a new letter and pronunciation.

Thus, the mentally capable 8 year old writes and pronounces the new letter and pronunciation that replaces an alphabet letter in 20 consecutive minutes.

Every human who's mentally capable is always able to be treasurer of their new currency.

If you create one new currency then you're able to create a second new currency.

If you're able to create second new currency then you're able to create third new currency.

You create one new currency.

Thus, you're able to create a third new currency.

You're a treasurer for a new currency, listener?

You create and distribute your new currency, listener?

You don't allow the government to control your grammar structure, listener?

If you create one new language then you're able to create a second new language.

If you're able to create a second new language then you're able to create a third new language.

You create one new language.

Thus, you're able to create a third new language.

All humans are in need of sleep.

Jared Loughner is a human.

Hence, Jared Loughner is in need of sleep.

Sleepwalking

If I define sleepwalking then sleepwalking is the act or state of walking, eating, or performing other motor acts while asleep, of which one is unaware upon awakening.

I define sleepwalking.

Thus, sleepwalking is the act or state of walking, eating, or performing other motor acts while asleep, of which one is unaware upon awakening.

I'm a sleepwalker - who turns off the alarm clock.

All conscience dreaming at this moment is asleep.

Jared Loughner is conscience dreaming at this moment.

Thus, Jared Loughner is asleep.

Terrorist

If I define terrorist then a terrorist is a person who employs terror or terrorism, especially as a political weapon.

I define terrorist.

This, a terrorist is a person who employs terror or terrorism, especially as a political weapon.

If you call me a terrorist then the argument to call me a terrorist is Ad hominem.

You call me a terrorist.

Thus, the argument to call me a terrorist is Ad hominem.

Every United States Military recruit at MEPS in Phoenis is receiving one mini bible before the tests.

Jared Loughner is a United States Military recruit at MEPS in Phoenix.

Therefore, Jared Loughner is receiving one mini bible before the tests.

I didn't write a belief on my Army application, and the recruiter wrote on the application; None.

The majority of citizens in the United States of America have never read the United States of America's Constitution.

You don't have to accept the federalist laws.

Nonetheless, read the United States of America's Constituion to apprehend all of the current treasonous laws.

You're literate, listener?

If the property owners and government officials are no longer in ownership of their land and laws from a revolution then the revolutionary's from the revolution are in control of the land and laws.

The property owners and government officials are no longer in ownership of their land and laws from a revolution.

Thus, the revolutionary's from the revolution are in control of the land and laws.

In conclusion, reading the second United States Constition, I can't trust the current government because of the ratifications: The government is implying mind control and brainwash on the people by controlling grammar.

No! I won't pay debt with a currency that's not backed by gold and silver!

No! I won't trust in God!

What's government if words don't have meaning?

That could be a chapter from Glenn Beck!

* all were from the following source:
The Crazed Internet Rantings of Jared Loughner | The Range: The Tucson Weekly's Daily Dispatch


I will allow you, gentle readers to decide what this mans politics were. I for one think he's just nucking futs.
 
Re: Communism + National Socialism = Jared Loughner

Here we go, some rants from the loon. Of course, these are not cherry picked tidbits to push partisan hackery, just expose it.

Sounds hard core right there, hell that could be Rush speaking!

He's channeling Hannity now. So clear.

That could be a chapter from Glenn Beck!

* all were from the following source:
The Crazed Internet Rantings of Jared Loughner | The Range: The Tucson Weekly's Daily Dispatch

I will allow you, gentle readers to decide what this mans politics were. I for one think he's just nucking futs.

Yes. He's an extremist right wing nut. Anything else?
 
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Yes. He's an extremist right wing nut. Anything else?

Only a few hyper-partisans are saying that, and the entire forum mocks you for it.
 
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Only a few hyper-partisans are saying that, and the entire forum mocks you for it.

Ah yes, hyper partisans are the ones who notice what is painfully obvious. As opposed to those who doesn't want to admit that maybe, just maybe, even psychos do have an ideology they subscribe to. Who are what? You? The non-hyper-partisan poster child of the forum? Don't make me laugh MrV. From your history on this board it's not hard to tell that the reason you won't admit this kid was a ****ed up little right wing screw up is because well, you yourself are a right wing hyper-partisan.

TINK'O TEH CHILJRUN!
 
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