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    Re: Communism + National Socialism = Jared Loughner

    Here Alfons, rather than posting 3rd party material, why don't you refute my earlier post.

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Someone may have already, but I doubt it had any success, so I'll do it too, lets have a political maths lesson.

    Communism (a political ideology advocating a stateless, classless society in which everyone is equal and the means of production are distributed equally)=/= National Socialism (a political party in which Hitler rose to prominence, which, once Hitler controlled it, advocated a patriarchal society, rigid social classes, absolute obedience to the state, and and a government controlled economy, which was directed to xenophobic and racist ends).

    No matter how you try to spin it, Communism and Nazism are completely incompatible.
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    Re: Communism + National Socialism = Jared Loughner

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    List to me what was socialist about Nazi Germany, I want both economic and social factors.
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    1. Private property rights were conditional upon the economic mode of use; if it did not advance Nazi economic goals, the state could nationalize it. Nazi government corporate takeovers, and threatened takeovers, encouraged compliance with government production plans, even if unprofitable for the firm.

    2. Agricultural and industrial central planning was a prominent feature of Nazi economics. To tie farmers to the land, selling agricultural land was prohibited; farm ownership was nominally private, but discretion over operations and residual income were proscribed.

    3. That was achieved by granting business monopoly rights to marketing boards, to control production and prices with a quota system. Quotas also were established for industrial goods, such as pig iron, steel, aluminium, magnesium, gunpowder, explosives, synthetic rubber, fuels, and electricity.

    4. In place of ordinary profit-incentive determining the economy, financial investment was regulated per the needs of the state. The profit incentive for businessmen remained, but was greatly modified: “Fixing of profits, not their suppression, was the official policy of the Nazi party”; however, Nazi agencies replaced the profit-motive that automatically allocated investment, and the course of the economy.

    5. Nazi government financing eventually dominated private financial investment, which the proportion of private securities issued falling from over half of the total in 1933–34 to approximately 10 per cent in 1935–38.

    6. Heavy business-profit taxes limited self-financing of firms.

    7. The largest firms were mostly exempt from taxes on profits, however, government control of these were extensive enough to leave “only the shell of private ownership”.

    8. The official decree was stamped into the rim of the silver Reichsmark coins between 1933 through the end of WWII "Gemeinnutz geht vor Eigennutz" or "The common good before self-interest."

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    Re: Communism + National Socialism = Jared Loughner

    Quote Originally Posted by Alfons View Post
    Who invented Communism and Socialism, not Marx, right? Hitler fulfilled the socialistic teaching of Marx in Germany, btw the idea of concentration camps he had cloned by his socialistic friedns in stalin's Russia.
    Actually I was under the impression that American eugenics was how hitler got the idea for the concentration camps.
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    Re: Communism + National Socialism = Jared Loughner

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Centrist View Post
    I guess you've never been to a Tea Party rally and seen the Obama posters with a Hitler mustache. Or I guess you never saw that conservative billboard that compared Obama to Hitler.
    Please look at this and get back to me. Someone at a Tea Party Rally gave him a Hitler mustache? Tea Partiers would be taken straight to jail for the things on this site. Liberals got away with it, and they say we incite violence with mustaches and crosshairs. It's laughable.

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    Re: Communism + National Socialism = Jared Loughner

    Quote Originally Posted by Alfons View Post
    Yes, Hitler was a Socialist!









    You can continue to read here:

    HITLER WAS A SOCIALIST
    Alfons, you and your dead ends. Putting some pictures next to each other isn't really the same thing as proof. German Guy clearly put a lot of thought into his post and covered a lot of points, a five word "rebuttal" with tripod links and not a single argument really doesn't do it justice.
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