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    Re: Communism + National Socialism = Jared Loughner

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Lol so because he didn't say the exact words or coin a phrase that means that Lenin was the originator. And no, Lenin did not envision that. You are again wrong.
    I can understand your confusion as initially what you quoted seems a lot like the vanguard party doctrine, but it is not. This is from "The State and Revolution":

    And the dictatorship of the proletariat, i.e., the organization of the vanguard of the oppressed as the ruling class for the purpose of suppressing the oppressors
    Those are Lenin's own words and are contrasted strongly with what you quoted. Marx was not talking about an organization or party, but simply referring to the people and he does not suggest them performing the same tasks Lenin mentions.
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    Re: Communism + National Socialism = Jared Loughner

    Those are Lenin's own words and are contrasted strongly with what you quoted.
    Yes, the organization of the vanguard. A vanguard of a movement is not a party or an organization...

    Moreover, and what is funnier because you probably aren't aware of the nuances involved with the sentence you've quoted, the "vanguard of the oppressed" to which Lenin is referring is the proletariat, which is of course what Marx was referring to:

    "The immediate aim of the Communists is the same as that of all other proletarian parties: formation of the proletariat into a class, overthrow of the bourgeois supremacy, conquest of political power by the proletariat. "

    Marx was not talking about an organization or party, but simply referring to the people
    Oh he wasn't talking about a Communist Party when he was writing the Manifesto of the Communist Party? And he wasn't referring to Communists as members of the Communist Party? Further, Marx never refers to "the people" because it is completely antithetical to what he believes, i.e. that the concept of "the people" is a false one as "the people" are divided primarily into classes which conflict with one another.

    but simply referring to the people and he does not suggest them performing the same tasks Lenin mentions.
    Of course he does.
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    Re: Communism + National Socialism = Jared Loughner

    The modern version of Leninism appears in it's highest form in the Chinese Communist Party. That's where Leninism leads.

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    Re: Communism + National Socialism = Jared Loughner

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Yes... he kept going on about not having to pay taxes and going back to the gold standard. Now who, have I heard saying that before?
    Really? I have done a lot of research on this guy and Iíve never seen anything attributed to him about paying taxes or going back to the gold standard.

    Can you provide a source for this alleged fact? No facts? Now who have I heard saying that before?

    Thatís right, a democrat sheriff who thinks his opinions are more important than actual facts and the liberals who followed him down his vitriolic rhetoric road.

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    Re: Communism + National Socialism = Jared Loughner

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    Really? I have done a lot of research on this guy and I’ve never seen anything attributed to him about paying taxes or going back to the gold standard.

    Can you provide a source for this alleged fact? No facts? Now who have I heard saying that before?

    That’s right, a democrat sheriff who thinks his opinions are more important than actual facts and the liberals who followed him down his vitriolic rhetoric road.
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    Re: Communism + National Socialism = Jared Loughner

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Exactly correct.

    However, all I've heard on the MSM is that he's the result of Palinesque vitriole drummed up from the Tea Party.

    Sad.
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    Re: Communism + National Socialism = Jared Loughner

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    Who invented Communism and Socialism, not Marx, right? Hitler fulfilled the socialistic teaching of Marx in Germany, btw the idea of concentration camps he had cloned by his socialistic friedns in stalin's Russi
    I love ignorant people.

    List to me what was socialist about Nazi Germany, I want both economic and social factors.

    And concentration camps were used, prior to WW2, in North America by the Spanish, by America during the Phillippine-American war, as well as Tsarist Russia and during the Second Boer War by the British.
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    Re: Communism + National Socialism = Jared Loughner

    [QUOTE=nikole95;1059220719]Who invented Communism and Socialism, not Marx, right? Hitler fulfilled the socialistic teaching of Marx in Germany, btw the idea of concentration camps he had cloned by his socialistic friedns in stalin's Russi

    False. The concentration camp was invented by the British during the Boer War. And Hitler most admired the Turks for their genocide on the Armenians. Get your facts right.
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    Re: Communism + National Socialism = Jared Loughner

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    False. The concentration camp was invented by the British during the Boer War. And Hitler most admired the Turks for their genocide on the Armenians. Get your facts right.
    They were invented by the Spanish in Cuba during the 10 year war, and were used by Americans in the Phillipines prior to the Boer War.
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    Re: Communism + National Socialism = Jared Loughner

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