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Carolyn McCarthy readies gun control bill

haymarket said:
I really would like to say what I think of the comments in this thread.... but I already have on thread ban, one warning and one infraction today and I think thats enough for a days work.
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Yeah, man. Go for it.
 
apdst said:
They probably weren't actual machine guns. Especially, if they were just hanging on the wall.

BTW, if they are actual machine guns, call the ATF and you can get the store owner in a ****load of trouble. Automatic weapons have to be locked up in a vault, at all times, unless the weapon is being transported from one place to another and then, it can only be possessed by a class 3 Federal Firearms License holder.

You can't shoot through walls very effectively with a shotgun.
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Well, that's interesting. What are they then? What looks like a machine gun that isn't a machine gun? As to your last sentence, why is that a bad thing? Got X-ray vision?

Edit: It is illegal for an individual to possess a machine gun in Illinois. Can only be owned by a dealer with a Class III license...whatever that is. Thanks for the education. Maybe they're just on display....?
 
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MaggieD said:
Pulleeze. Even if I'm stupid I'm entitled to my opinion. Why I've seen that hundreds of times on DP. ;-)

The extended magazine on that Glock was illegal until 2004.
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So, before 2004, you could shoot 15 rounds vice 30? Loughner only scored 18 hits. And that's assuming that one bullet didn't hit two targets.
 
MaggieD said:
I've seen machine guns hanging on the wall at my local gun store. Surely "a machine gun is a machine gun...." ? Surely a 22-automatic rifle with an extended magazine can wreak havoc...If one is defending their home, a double-barrel shotgun'll work just fine -- won't it?

My knowledge of guns is quite - very - completely limited. But I know that ordinary people like me ought'nt be able to walk into a gun shop and buy these kinds of weapons. And I sure can now.
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how can you tell

YOu are completely clueless about gun laws

you can not buy an automatic short of a 6 month background check
 
MaggieD said:
Well, that's interesting. What are they then? What looks like a machine gun that isn't a machine gun? As to your last sentence, why is that a bad thing? Got X-ray vision?
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do you know what a selector switch is


the only difference between an ar-15 and an M-16 is? at 4 feet you cannot tell the difference

its a very tiny little difference inside the weapon
 
MaggieD said:
Pulleeze. Even if I'm stupid I'm entitled to my opinion. Why I've seen that hundreds of times on DP. ;-)

The extended magazine on that Glock was illegal until 2004.
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wrong again-
 
MaggieD said:
Well, that's interesting. What are they then? What looks like a machine gun that isn't a machine gun? As to your last sentence, why is that a bad thing? Got X-ray vision?
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They're either mockups, that can't be made to fire...or, they're semi-automatic.

See this? Looks like a, "machine gun", right?

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It sells for $8,990. Joe Blow nutjob off the street isn't going to waltz in, lay 9 g's on the counter and waltz back out, to go down the street to kill a buncha people. Not to mention, as yuo see it right there, it ways 80 pounds.

TNW Firearms - Semi-Auto M2 Browing w/Tripod, .50 BMG
 
MaggieD said:
Pulleeze. Even if I'm stupid I'm entitled to my opinion. Why I've seen that hundreds of times on DP. ;-)

The extended magazine on that Glock was illegal until 2004.
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Another common error made by journalists. It was illegal to MANUFACTURE until 2004. It was not illegal to possess, sell, or use. Given that there were millions already in existence, that didn't mean much.
 
Okay, Okay, Okay!!!!

I'm wrong.

But I really think the laws could be reviewed on the Federal level.

So there.

;-)
 
MaggieD said:
Okay, Okay, Okay!!!!

I'm wrong.

But I really think the laws could be reviewed on the Federal level.

So there.

;-)
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when you buy into the faith based myth that more laws will stop people who violate capital crimes you are pretty much beyond help
 
MaggieD said:
Assault weapons should be illegal on the Federal level. I shouldn't be able to go into a gun shop and buy a machine gun. It's absolutely ridiculous to think that private citizens should be able to possess these kinds of guns. I could go down the street right now and, with a three-day waiting period, walk away with a machine gun. Reeeeeeediculous.

No more assault weapons. No more right-to-carry. Background checks required. Three references required. No more gun show sales. I'm all for it. The time is now.

And, by the way, enforce the laws already on the books as to those who own/carry/transport illegal guns of any kind.
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Very disappointing, Maggie.

First of all a Glock isn't a machine gun or an automatic weapon. It is semi-auto, like many civilian firearms. One pull of the trigger= one shot fired.

No more right-to-carry? That has what to do with this? I never saw where he had a carry permit. I've posted statistics that people with concealed-carry permits have a far lower rate of crime than the general citizenry.

Background checks are already done, via NICS. In this case there was a failure... well, improve the NICS system to include mental-illness flags.

Machineguns are already illegal without a Class III special license... you CANNOT go to the gunstore and buy a "machinegun" without one....but you could go to the 'hood and buy a machinegun illegally, perhaps. :roll:

Restrain your emotions and do a reality check, and make sure you know what you're talking about first, please.


EDITED to add: Nevermind, I see that correction has already been applied. :mrgreen:
 
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Goshin said:
Very disappointing, Maggie.

First of all a Glock isn't a machine gun or an automatic weapon. It is semi-auto, like many civilian firearms. One pull of the trigger= one shot fired.
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I know that Goshin. I was making a separate issue of assault weapons. This Glock did, however, have an extended magazine.

No more right-to-carry? That has what to do with this? I never saw where he had a carry permit. I've posted statistics that people with concealed-carry permits have a far lower rate of crime than the general citizenry.

Background checks are already done, via NICS. In this case there was a failure... well, improve the NICS system to include mental-illness flags.
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Yes. Improve the system. But it wouldn't have caught this guy. We can't catch 'em all.

Machineguns are already illegal without a Class III special license... you CANNOT go to the gunstore and buy a "machinegun" without one....but you could go to the 'hood and buy a machinegun illegally, perhaps. :roll:
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Yes, I've since looked that up. Either the machine guns hanging on the wall of my gun shop are look-alikes or they are on display for the purpose of giving hard-ons to gun enthusiasts.

Restrain your emotions and do a reality check, and make sure you know what you're talking about first, please.
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First, I would remind you that I recanted quite clearly. Second, that one doesn't have to be a gun expert to know that we have a problem with guns in this country...with much of the problem being that we don't effectively enforce laws already on the books...and the punishments for carrying unlicensed/unpermitted weapons are not solving our problems. (The streets of inner-city Chicago are nothing short of the Wild West.)

And, finally, tragedies like this call for a careful audit of policies and procedures. That's a given. Or it should be.

EDITED to add: Nevermind, I see that correction has already been applied. :mrgreen:
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Didn't see this 'til I'd typed the above.

Now, hopefully, the dogs have been called off. ;-)
 
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MaggieD said:
Assault weapons should be illegal on the Federal level. I shouldn't be able to go into a gun shop and buy a machine gun. It's absolutely ridiculous to think that private citizens should be able to possess these kinds of guns. I could go down the street right now and, with a three-day waiting period, walk away with a machine gun. Reeeeeeediculous.

No more assault weapons. No more right-to-carry. Background checks required. Three references required. No more gun show sales. I'm all for it. The time is now.

And, by the way, enforce the laws already on the books as to those who own/carry/transport illegal guns of any kind.
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What's an "assault weapon"?
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
What's an "assault weapon"?
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Uh-oh. Here comes the dogs again. :rofl

Okay. I don't KNOW what an assault weapon is. (Now, I coulda' Googled it and lied, so give me SOME credit.) But whatever it is, we probably shouldn't be able to own them. I'm qualifyin' everything NOW. :rofl
 
MaggieD said:
Uh-oh. Here comes the dogs again. :rofl

Okay. I don't KNOW what an assault weapon is. (Now, I coulda' Googled it and lied, so give me SOME credit.) But whatever it is, we probably shouldn't be able to own them. I'm qualifyin' everything NOW. :rofl
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watch this:

assault weapon?


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Assault weapon?


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Which of these are assault weapons? why?
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
watch this:

assault weapon?


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Assault weapon?


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Which of these are assault weapons? why?
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Okay. I'll play. Just so you can make me look foolish. Ha!

The second one because it has a scope. No. I'm going to change my mind. Scopes are useful for hunting. I'm going to say neither one because it doesn't look like either one holds lots of rounds. (Am I close??? I'm CURIOUS now....)
 
The media has a tendency to call all semi-auto guns "assault weapons". This is a misnomer.

An assault weapon is a selective fire rifle or carbine, capable of firing bursts or full-auto. These are already banned except for those holding Class III Federal firearms licenses... which are not that easy to get.

Also, full-auto weapons are so rarely used in crime that they are almost a non-issue for law enforcement.
 
MaggieD said:
Okay. I'll play. Just so you can make me look foolish. Ha!

The second one because it has a scope. No. I'm going to change my mind. Scopes are useful for hunting. I'm going to say neither one because it doesn't look like either one holds lots of rounds. (Am I close??? I'm CURIOUS now....)
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Actually they both at one time were considered an "assault weapon".... that my friend is a Marlin .22, both of them. its a .22 caliber rifle that is often the first rifle folks use. One has a different stock on it..... that's it.
 
MaggieD said:
Okay. I'll play. Just so you can make me look foolish. Ha!

The second one because it has a scope. No. I'm going to change my mind. Scopes are useful for hunting. I'm going to say neither one because it doesn't look like either one holds lots of rounds. (Am I close??? I'm CURIOUS now....)
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The Rev appears to have wandered off, so if you don't mind I'll answer.

Those are both the same gun. The bottom one has a different stock, and a scope.

Neither is properly an "assault weapon", but under some definitions (mis-definitions) the bottom one would be banned for having a pistol-grip stock.

Neither is capable of full-auto fire. Both have 15+ round capacity in the tubular magazine under the stock. Both are .22 rifles, a very light caliber... the sort of thing you hunt squirrels with, or give to your 12yo as a "first gun".

Part of the problem is the term "assault weapons" has been so misused and DELIBERATELY abused in the gun-control debate that the word has lost all meaning.
 
Pretty damn pathetic that people wanna blame the guns for the persons actions. He could have used any number of methods to do what he wanted to do.

I mean for gods sake he could have used the spanner in the billiards room, but no, he chose to use a gun.

And now, tragic death is once again being used as a political tool to try and control something that, really, did not cause those deaths, the person behind that weapon caused those deaths.

Hate to be captain Obvious here but, I guess some people need that.
 
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Jetboogieman said:
Pretty damn pathetic that people wanna blame the guns for the persons actions. He could have used any number of methods to do what he wanted to do.

I mean for gods sake he could have used the spanner in the billiards room, but no, he chose to use a gun.

And now, tragic death is once again being used as a political tool to try and control something that, really, did not cause those deaths, the person behind that weapon caused those deaths.

Hate to be captain Obvious here but, I guess some people need that.
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You hit on it --- it's Obvious to you and me but to others it's not obvious at all. There's a long and robust history as you know, of blaming guns and not people in this country.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Round 2:


Which one is an assault rifle?


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I can't see if there's a selector switch saying "full auto", so I have no way to tell if both or neither are properly "assault" rifles.

I doubt the M1 would qualify, as technically "assault" rifles usually use intermediate cartridges while the M1 is usually 30-06 caliber.
 
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