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    Re: Arizona Death Panel Claims Another Victim

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    You are correct to a point. Insurance companies, judges/juries put a price all the time. The question is how to pay health care? How about the level of care? That is if a transplant is to be done, should a patient demand the leading transplant specialist peform the operation or should they accept any certified doctor. What are you willing to give up to provide health care for everyone?
    I'm not saying healthcare should be free and all doctors and pharmacists should work for charity. My view is that when the issue of cost comes up that would result in the death of someone, it's unethical to deny them treatment because they don't have enough money. I think a for-profit healthcare industry is a bad idea as care is centered around profits and not around patients.
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    Re: Arizona Death Panel Claims Another Victim

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    You cannot and should not put a price on human life.
    Morally, I absolutely agree. However, we live in a world with finite resources and we have to somewhere because there is no way we can allocate resources to save everyone.

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    Re: Arizona Death Panel Claims Another Victim

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I'm not saying healthcare should be free and all doctors and pharmacists should work for charity. My view is that when the issue of cost comes up that would result in the death of someone, it's unethical to deny them treatment because they don't have enough money. I think a for-profit healthcare industry is a bad idea as care is centered around profits and not around patients.

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    Re: Arizona Death Panel Claims Another Victim

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Morally, I absolutely agree. However, we live in a world with finite resources and we have to somewhere because there is no way we can allocate resources to save everyone.
    I feel we can make it more efficient though. I support a lot of the Republicans' views when it comes to cost cutting measures. I also support the Democrats in reforming healthcare into a government industry that is not run for profit. I think if we cut the charges down that would go towards profit, implemented Republican reforms, and had people paying the government instead of insurance companies healthcare would be cheaper for the individual and for the healthcare providers.

    On a side biased note, I believe pharmacists should be allowed to write several prescriptions and be allowed to work maintinence clinics. In Florida they have grown the pharmacists' prescriptive authority and it has cut costs and provided better patient care. In the UK they have cut costs by allowing pharmacists to have clinics in their pharmacies and allowing them to prescribe certain medications. However, as states, my view is slightly biased
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    Re: Arizona Death Panel Claims Another Victim

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I feel we can make it more efficient though. I support a lot of the Republicans' views when it comes to cost cutting measures. I also support the Democrats in reforming healthcare into a government industry that is not run for profit. I think if we cut the charges down that would go towards profit, implemented Republican reforms, and had people paying the government instead of insurance companies healthcare would be cheaper for the individual and for the healthcare providers.

    On a side biased note, I believe pharmacists should be allowed to write several prescriptions and be allowed to work maintinence clinics. In Florida they have grown the pharmacists' prescriptive authority and it has cut costs and provided better patient care. In the UK they have cut costs by allowing pharmacists to have clinics in their pharmacies and allowing them to prescribe certain medications. However, as states, my view is slightly biased
    I agree with everything there. If anything, the pharmacist is probably going to best know the drug interactions and know which substances are relatively harmless for simple problems.

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    Re: Arizona Death Panel Claims Another Victim

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I agree with everything there. If anything, the pharmacist is probably going to best know the drug interactions and know which substances are relatively harmless for simple problems.
    I think the same way. Pharmacists are the most knowledgeable people in the healthcare industry regarding medications and treatments as we study it intensely. The difference between doctors is that they are trained more so in medical techniques and diagnosis. However, most pharmacy curriculum study medical sciences for three years and one year of rotations. Most medical school curriculum are two years of study and two years of rotations. Doctors will still be a vital role in the medical industry, but I support more power to the pharmacists as well. Nurses and physician assistants are allowed to prescribe medication, yet in most states the only thing a pharmacist can do is write for the plan b contraceptive (which is far more dangerous than most drugs). I hope what has started in Florida will spread across the rest of the US. To my knowledge, there have been no problems in Florida due to pharmacists being able to prescribe several medications.
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    Re: Arizona Death Panel Claims Another Victim

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I think the same way. Pharmacists are the most knowledgeable people in the healthcare industry regarding medications and treatments as we study it intensely. The difference between doctors is that they are trained more so in medical techniques and diagnosis. However, most pharmacy curriculum study medical sciences for three years and one year of rotations. Most medical school curriculum are two years of study and two years of rotations. Doctors will still be a vital role in the medical industry, but I support more power to the pharmacists as well. Nurses and physician assistants are allowed to prescribe medication, yet in most states the only thing a pharmacist can do is write for the plan b contraceptive (which is far more dangerous than most drugs). I hope what has started in Florida will spread across the rest of the US. To my knowledge, there have been no problems in Florida due to pharmacists being able to prescribe several medications.
    The pharmacist at the hospitals anticoagulation clinic name is on all my scripts then I pick them at wall mart where again the pharmacist there counsels me on the side affects and what ever I need to know. Oh BTW I take 7 different pills aday.

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    Re: Arizona Death Panel Claims Another Victim

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    The pharmacist at the hospitals anticoagulation clinic name is on all my scripts then I pick them at wall mart where again the pharmacist there counsels me on the side affects and what ever I need to know. Oh BTW I take 7 different pills aday.
    The laws vary from state to state. In your state pharmacists may be able to write in clinics as clinical pharmacy is a growing career. In TN it is a state law that a pharmacist must counsel patients on new medication and a doctors explanation cannot suffice. We can also "loan" pills to patients who have expired prescriptions for medications while they wait for the doctor to respond to the refill renewal request. However, all this stuff is for another thread, I feel I have derailed this one with my bias opinion
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    Re: Arizona Death Panel Claims Another Victim

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    You cannot and should not put a price on human life.
    We can and absolutely should.

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I'm not saying healthcare should be free and all doctors and pharmacists should work for charity. My view is that when the issue of cost comes up that would result in the death of someone, it's unethical to deny them treatment because they don't have enough money. I think a for-profit healthcare industry is a bad idea as care is centered around profits and not around patients.
    So how much do you think we should be spending on each person. Say that we have the ability to extend an 80 year old's life, but it will cost $50k/month. Should the government pay for that care? Say that we can save a 10 year old from a debilitating disease, but the medications they will have to take forever cost $50k/month. Should the government pay for it?

    The biggest problem facing our healthcare system is that people are too scared to simply say "no, we cannot and should not be paying for this." The end result is a system where we try to fund everything and end up with skyrocketing costs.
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    Re: Arizona Death Panel Claims Another Victim

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    Why? Just curious.

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