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    Re: Arizona Death Panel Claims Another Victim

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    They do it all the time. For example, if someone waiting for a liver transplant was found to be drinking alcohol, they could be dropped from the list.
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    Re: Arizona Death Panel Claims Another Victim

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Notice how I asked where was the charity that conservatives so like to state will take care of the unfortunate, eliminating the need for governmental assistance. Given the conservative nature of Arizona I was suprised that millions of people did not donate to assist this person a fellow american could live.

    Overall I am dissappointed at the individuals of Arizona who decided this person should die because they were too cheap to donate a few cents each to allow this person to get a transplant
    Why do you feel they should have chipped in to save this person. It would only have cost the life of the person who received that liver and already had the means to pay for it. The whole thread makes no sense.

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    Re: Arizona Death Panel Claims Another Victim

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    Since AZ is running a deficit, and you seem to think the State should pay for the transplant, where do you want the money to come from? Higher taxes? How about the State balances its budget and only fund that which it can afford. The State/Local/Federal govt cannot fund all that people want in programs. Did you sent any money to help support the transplant since you are asking "conservatives" to do so? Bet not.
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    Re: Arizona Death Panel Claims Another Victim

    I tell you what, let's go to a national health care system and bankrupt the entire country while driving up the cost of care and driving down the availability of care so that no one can get a cold pill much less a transplant.
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    Re: Arizona Death Panel Claims Another Victim

    What I find interesting is this would not even be a topic of discussion 20 or so years ago. Not sure why people are wanting the govt. to do everything for them.
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    Re: Arizona Death Panel Claims Another Victim

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    What I find interesting is this would not even be a topic of discussion 20 or so years ago. Not sure why people are wanting the govt. to do everything for them.
    Because they are too lazy to defend their own rights.
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    Re: Arizona Death Panel Claims Another Victim

    You cannot and should not put a price on human life.
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    Re: Arizona Death Panel Claims Another Victim

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    You cannot and should not put a price on human life.
    You are correct to a point. Insurance companies, judges/juries put a price all the time. The question is how to pay health care? How about the level of care? That is if a transplant is to be done, should a patient demand the leading transplant specialist peform the operation or should they accept any certified doctor. What are you willing to give up to provide health care for everyone?
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    Re: Arizona Death Panel Claims Another Victim

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    I tell you what, let's go to a national health care system and bankrupt the entire country while driving up the cost of care and driving down the availability of care so that no one can get a cold pill much less a transplant.
    Transplants, to me, seem like a sci-fi luxury. What about all the kids and parents who go without antibiotics and dental services? What about hte many people die for the lack of a flu shot or penecillin

    To expect, wait for and desire for another human being to die in order for another individual to live - and then to peg the entire expensive, complex and dangerous and tragic process off as if it's a duty of the state to ensure - seems ridiculous.

    I don't understand the logic.

    I would only consider it a viable and "should be available to all who need it" option if everyone in the entire country receives 100% free and top-end healthcare to prevent and end their health problems.

    On one hand we have people arguing that a few hundred dollars increase on the base cost of an SUVs and Vans (to install back-up cameras in all new models) is uncalled for though it could have saved the lives of quite a few elderly and children, or the overall cost of ensuring fresh fruits and veggies to the children in schools (to hopefully stave off later illnesses) is ridiculous and a waste of money - yet up to 1.4 million in one state for 99 people to have an extended life isn't enough?

    I don't get the logic - you either WANT people to live a healthy and normal life and pay whatever the cost or you don't.
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    Re: Arizona Death Panel Claims Another Victim

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    You are correct to a point. Insurance companies, judges/juries put a price all the time.

    The people that made my defibrillator (medtronics) put a price on the thing.

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